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Greg
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Thank you Robb for the prompt response.
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Not Will Webb Ellis
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Well!
I’ve taken a look at this forum for the first time in a while. Seeing the speculation and the educated guesses I can officially say the system in my opinion is a mess and now my brain hurts.
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cobbler
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I reckon a few of us are viewing or commenting for the first time in a while!
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Newt
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Same here.
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NEWT is an acronym, it stands for North East Worcestershire Town. My views, not necessarily my Club's
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islander
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I'm sure the make-up of the leagues for 24/25 will be sorted soon, at least (compared with this time yesterday) it's known who finished in what position. Getting the structure sorted will always be challenging, the glory of sport is not knowing what'll happen in advance, and by the same token it's not scripted which clubs from which part of an area will go up or down once the music's stopped, hence the need to balance it all out at the end of the season: a necessary but sometimes complex process...
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Robb
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I just hope they get the new leagues out sooner rather than later. Even if its just to announce which teams are where (but the fixtures will be a bonus!)
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tigerburnie
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The centre of England and indeed the planet is in Leicestershire, thought everyone knew that.....................
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Archangel
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So as Syston is in Leicestershire makes (RFU) sense they will go the L1SE instead of Nuns! Though Banbury & Kenilworth remain outside bets. North Walsham now in that league does change the shape and mileage somewhat
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Too old but young enough to learn
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cobbler
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Yes I think that is quite likely, along with Stoke going North and maybe one other "natural" Midlands sides possibly going North. No doubt the RFU computer, along with Google Maps, is working out the best options for all 6 level 5 leagues as we we discuss it.
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Robb
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Not to mention we also have the fight between Royal Wooton Bassett and Marlborough scrapping over who goes to Kent in R1SC and who goes to Cornwall in R1SW.
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FHLH
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I was trying to picture a time with Aspatria, Wharfedale, Tynedale, N Walsham, Mounts Bay & Blackheath in the same league - would put the computer into meltdown. Must be a bit like Premiership travel Edited by FHLH - 04 May 2024 at 00:33 |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Archangel
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The (Southern) Prem doesn't go North much though these days!
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Too old but young enough to learn
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Thatbloke
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Ok, let me throw this into the mix! Having just been relegated from Nat2(West) we were looking forward to returning to Regional rugby and some local derbies with old friends and without the horrendous travel and overnight stay costs that rugby at that level brings (circa £60k).
Whilst not yet officially confirmed it transpires that we will be placed in Level 5 North West so from 2 years travelling down to Cornwall we will be required to travel to Penrith, Kendal, Blackburn & Rossendale to name just four. How can this be right? The problem is that whenever there is a shortfall in North, South or West it is inevitably the Midlands clubs who get the thin end of the wedge and are shifted around to fill the gaps. The sooner we move to 4 leagues at Level 4 and 8 at Level 5 the better. Oh the standards will drop blah, blah I hear you say but I suspect probably not given that players will generally be available for an hour/hour and a half away trip but not for games that might take up a whole weekend. 4 league winners at Level 5 play off for 2 promotion places in Nat2 (Winners North v Winners Midlands and ditto South/South East. To refer to the title of the thread - No 6 into 3 doesn't go but 8 into 4 most definitely does and makes a lot more sense. Wake up RFU!
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Camquin
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Nobody liked the old system of two leagues at level 4, four at L5 and eight at level L6. Just
cutting out one level leaves most teams back in the same leagues they
were, so it is not clear it is better. It certainly would not resolve
the issues around the Manchester clubs not wanting to visit Cumberland. Having three, six, twelve did not really reduce travel, and actually meant more sides were travelling. And the cup has introduced even more mileage for lower level teams. I
suggested a pattern of three, then nine and twenty-seven, which would
have had a lot fewer sides travelling outside their county, but would
require a lot of administrative upheaval. But
the pattern cannot solve the problem of numerical mismatches, and you
cannot expect the relegated teams to split equally between the lower
divisions. There are only two solutions. Either
you transfer teams between leagues, and I know the RFU says there are
no transfers, they simply redraw the boundaries, but the effect is the
same and the same teams tend to get reallocated. Or,
you can enforce strict geography, and change the number of teams
relegated to maintain numbers, a system that has been used in the past
and was equally unloved. As the sides in the lower half of a league do
not know what they need to do not to be relegated, as between three and
five sides can drop. One thing I would say, is that this is not something that can be solved on the back of the proverbial fag packet. You
actually need to set out what you want to achieve, what compromises you
are prepared to accept, and properly model that whole of the pyramid to
see how close you can come. It is not helped by some clubs wanting games for their second XV, and other refusing to play lower sides. |
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Dad
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If you think you have it bad look at women's rugby, where there is no promotion / relegation to prem and champ 1 is split into North & South
Currently Cheltenham Tigers have been placed in Champ North and have won it by a mile. That league plays on a Sunday usually and ranges from Cheltenham and Buckingham in the south to novacastrians and Bishop Auckland in the NE. That is a 250mile 5 hr journey back after a game on Sunday before work on a Monday for £0
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Robb
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Was there a leak?
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Thatbloke
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I would prefer to call it a "tip-off"!
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Camquin
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Leek stayed up, it was Sandbach and Northwich that were relegated.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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NorthernMag
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Leagues are out
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cobbler
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Yes I have just seen a set of teams in Regional 1 Midlands (from a reliable source) that excluded Stoke and Newport, so presumably both have gone to North West. You have listed 4 teams that are a good distance away, but the others are all not too far (certainly not far from Stoke, a bit more from Newport). Fortunately for Derby and Long Eaton it was the North West league that was short of teams not the North East. Alnwick, Blaydon and Percy Park would have been 3 very long trips.
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