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CJB1
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Posted: 22 Mar 2022 at 13:10 |
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It has just been drawn to my attention that Chinnor have been deducted 5 or 6 points, resulting in Mose rising to 7th in the table, though the RFU's official tables aren't showing this yet. Can anybody shed light on this? My guess would be something to do with player registrations (it usually is), but what's the full story?
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Moseley Mauler
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Deducted 5 points for the use of an unregistered player agent
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CJB1
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Dr Google comes to the rescue: https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/rugby-football-union-statement-chinnor-rfc/ It's for use of an unregistered agent. There are further sanctions including another 5 point deduction suspended until the end of next season. I know we hoped to catch Chinnor soon, but I didn't expect them to make it quite so easy.
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Big Eddie
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If it was a Premiership club that had gotten their administration wrong I wonder what would've happened?
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billesleyexile
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All depends on which Premiership club. LW got absolutely hammered in their first premiership season for player registration - IIRC the team manager was banned from rugby admin for life.
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Runitback
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I wish clubs could deduct points from the RFU for inept admin!!!!
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Run with it
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Robb
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Which to be fair, was the RFU's revenge after LW humiliated them by forcing them to admit LW into the Prem.
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The statement by Chinnor Statement – First XV Points Deduction |
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fatbear
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There seems to be a bit of a disconnect between the two statements - Chinnor state the 5 point deduction is immediate whereas the National League Rugby statement says it is suspended Neither of the two players mentioned have started a match this season, with Lomas having made 6 substitute appearances, with Heathman has come off the bench twice.
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RFU In beat little club side with a big stick, shock!
Naughty naughty boys Eddie is ok and doing a great job All prem clubs with plenty of money whilst rest of game suffers But a poor Nat one side steps out of line and gets beaten with a big stick What a joke!
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How many years have Chinnor been semi-pro? Don't know the rules? Elementary mistake thinking money=knowledge. Karma.............
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CJB1
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NCA site shows an updated table.
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Scrumtime
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As if 5 points is going to make any difference to their season at all! It properly cost the RFU more in payments to get everybody at a hearing (normally £250/£500 per evening depending who you are). It’s just, as I said another case of the mighty RFU, getting their Doc Martins on and giving a smaller club a good kicking! Yes they were wrong, but why not a weeks wages to charity or no use of loan players for a month or the likes, that would hurt them more the money that some are on! Edited by Scrumtime - 23 Mar 2022 at 08:47 |
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Big Eddie
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Chinnor are a very decent club and I have found Simon Vickers a decent bloke. It is typical of the arrogant and patronsing demeanour of many involved with the RFU to, as Scrumtime says, take out the big stick to anyone who they see as beneath them.
As Simon Vickers says in his statement it is the hard pressed volunteers that have to keep up with the RFU's blizzard of bureaucracy. I do understand there has to be a sanction otherwise rules would fall into disrepute howver the RFU could have acknowledged that this was an innocent mistake and avoided the public flogging of Chinnor. This part of Simon's statement was particularly revealing "We also drew their attention to precedent in which a club at a similar level to ours knew about the regulations and contravened them and received a suspended deduction of points. We argued that all of these matters should warrant a lenient consideration of the charge, but the tribunal made the point that it was for them to determine the severity of the sentence which they duly did". I can picture the RFU saying those words with all the condecension they could muster....how impertinent of Chinnor to speak up in their defence! When you place this against the RFU's shockingly disingenuous PR spin re Eddie Jones and England's positive 6 Nations campaign it just lays bare the RFU's general contempt for everything rugby that does not involve the Premiership and the International game. I do not believe that any such sanction would be applied to a Premiership club with similar circumstances. Edited by Big Eddie - 23 Mar 2022 at 09:11 |
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Even Older Hooker
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I could not have put it better myself Big Eddie. All our wonderful clubs rely on Big hearted volunteers to make it all happen week after week. And to be treated like this is quite disgusting.
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Another one against the head
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It would probably depend if Mr Wray was involved.
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I find it mystifying when the expression "blizzard of bureaucracy" is used. I've been dealing with this in my current admin role for 6 years and I haven't yet found it too difficult or time-consuming. It does help to get your policies sorted out early and knowing where to go for advice from the RFU (which is readily forthcoming) is important. Before anyone has a go at me, I don't use the National League Rugby Chair to ask the questions, I do it myself!
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