| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Thatbloke 
World Cup Winner
Joined: 02 Sep 2017
Location: Newport
Status: Offline
Points: 1761
|
 Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:33 |
Thanks Richard but it would be Interesting to know exactly how many Native Americans watch Exeter either live or on TV? I suspect not many - yet again it's a case of changing the World so a minority aren't offended. Opinion on the points both you and I make will be polarised one way or the other, there really isn't any middle ground so I think now may be the time for me to take my "double standards" out of the discussion and perhaps reflect on any thoughts expressed by others Ps Thanks for not issuing expected admonishment!
|
 |
All the Way
World Cup Winner
Joined: 21 Apr 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 577
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:39 |
 French Connection wrote:
Richard, I am with you 100% on this. |
I too agree with Richard 100%
|
|
All the Way
World Cup Winner
Joined: 21 Apr 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 577
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:48 |
Kimbo wrote:
I've yet to understand why certain people consider the term 'woke' to be an insult, which is how many seem to use it.
To be awake to the injustices and dangers of racism is a good thing in my book. Call me woke as much as you like. |
Well said Kimbo, I too am mystified how it became a perjorative term.
|
|
oneagainstthehead
World Cup Winner
Joined: 04 Feb 2015
Location: West London
Status: Offline
Points: 727
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 13:17 |
Thatbloke wrote:
Thanks Richard but it would be Interesting to know exactly how many Native Americans watch Exeter either live or on TV? I suspect not many - yet again it's a case of changing the World so a minority aren't offended.Opinion on the points both you and I make will be polarised one way or the other, there really isn't any middle ground so I think now may be the time for me to take my "double standards" out of the discussion and perhaps reflect on any thoughts expressed by others Ps Thanks for not issuing expected admonishment! |
First thought for you to reflect on: Some people choose to keep their counsel, running the risk that they may be thought ignorant. Others choose to ‘say it as they see it’, thus removing all doubt.
|
|
Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
|
|
Thatbloke
World Cup Winner
Joined: 02 Sep 2017
Location: Newport
Status: Offline
Points: 1761
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 13:21 |
Many thanks oneagainstthehead - I'll take that as intended - a posh insult! The forum moderator has acknowledged that I am entitled to have an opinion and be allowed to express it. The fact that you disagree does not make ME ignorant
Edited by Thatbloke - 31 Jan 2022 at 15:53
|
|
billesleyexile
World Cup Winner
Joined: 20 Jun 2013
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 1855
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 13:25 |
All the Way wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
I've yet to understand why certain people consider the term 'woke' to be an insult, which is how many seem to use it.
To be awake to the injustices and dangers of racism is a good thing in my book. Call me woke as much as you like. |
Well said Kimbo, I too am mystified how it became a perjorative term.
|
Ditto.
|
|
keep the faith
|
|
Richard Lowther
Coaching staff
Moderator
Joined: 19 May 2007
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 6605
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 14:03 |
WEvans wrote:
Richard Lowther wrote:
....
It upsets them and in the year 2021 shouldn't be a thing. No one can surely defend such events.
|
But what about in the year 2022? |
|
|
|
|
HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner
Joined: 07 Oct 2018
Location: Havant
Status: Offline
Points: 572
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 18:02 |
Richard Lowther wrote:
HAVANT TONY wrote:
I've never liked these stupid American football style names for rugby teams and was left scratching my head and laughing when Bristol became the Bears I've got a mate who's from Bristol and he was gutted when they were the latest club to follow this trend and ripped up their famous coat of arms badge and replaced it with winnie the poohs angry uncle Having said that it's even more ridiculous what's gone on at Exeter being scared stiff of the woke pc snowflake brigade and changing their badge in case it offends someones shadow🤦♂️ |
A few questions for you.
1) Why does the proposed change OFFEND you so much? Are you a snowflake for being offended? 2) How you define Woke and Snowflake? 3) What does the" Indian" headdress/wigwam bar/Tomahawk chop have to do with Rugby? 4) Does changing the branding affect how Exeter play rugby?
|
Richard I suggest you read my post again !
1 i personally am NOT offended by the change at all in fact I cant really recall the last time I was " offended" Exeter can do what they want the only thing that makes me sigh is the fact that they are changing their branding for one reason and that is because they are scared of offending native Americans, name any other reason? take the instance of Canterbury Crusaders in New Zealand they changed because they thought a badge they'd had for years might now offend muslims because of the tragic shootings there. See the common theme here? 2 I define woke and snowflakes as a minority of generally leftwing people who melt at the above scenarios and think they are taking some sort of moral high ground and dictate to the vast majority 3 Indian head dress and wigwams etc have NOTHING to do with rugby as I alluded to in my first paragraph by saying " never liked these stupid American football style names 4 of course the branding doesn't affect the way they play rugby, how could it , daft question really
|
|
oneagainstthehead
World Cup Winner
Joined: 04 Feb 2015
Location: West London
Status: Offline
Points: 727
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 19:16 |
HAVANT TONY wrote:
Richard Lowther wrote:
HAVANT TONY wrote:
I've never liked these stupid American football style names for rugby teams and was left scratching my head and laughing when Bristol became the Bears I've got a mate who's from Bristol and he was gutted when they were the latest club to follow this trend and ripped up their famous coat of arms badge and replaced it with winnie the poohs angry uncle Having said that it's even more ridiculous what's gone on at Exeter being scared stiff of the woke pc snowflake brigade and changing their badge in case it offends someones shadow🤦♂️ |
A few questions for you.
1) Why does the proposed change OFFEND you so much? Are you a snowflake for being offended? 2) How you define Woke and Snowflake? 3) What does the" Indian" headdress/wigwam bar/Tomahawk chop have to do with Rugby? 4) Does changing the branding affect how Exeter play rugby?
|
Richard I suggest you read my post again !
1 i personally am NOT offended by the change at all in fact I cant really recall the last time I was " offended" Exeter can do what they want the only thing that makes me sigh is the fact that they are changing their branding for one reason and that is because they are scared of offending native Americans, name any other reason? take the instance of Canterbury Crusaders in New Zealand they changed because they thought a badge they'd had for years might now offend muslims because of the tragic shootings there. See the common theme here? 2 I define woke and snowflakes as a minority of generally leftwing people who melt at the above scenarios and think they are taking some sort of moral high ground and dictate to the vast majority 3 Indian head dress and wigwams etc have NOTHING to do with rugby as I alluded to in my first paragraph by saying " never liked these stupid American football style names 4 of course the branding doesn't affect the way they play rugby, how could it , daft question really |
I don’t think Exeter are ‘scared’ of offending Native Americans, I think they’ve realised that they have, albeit unintentionally, been actually offending Native Americans for many years. All you can do in those circumstances is apologise and change - credit to Exeter for doing so.
|
|
Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
|
|
HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner
Joined: 07 Oct 2018
Location: Havant
Status: Offline
Points: 572
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 19:53 |
|
I rest my case and am going to start a campaign to remove the word "OFFENDED" from the English language just in case it offends someone🤦♂️
|
|
OldNick
World Cup Winner
Joined: 20 May 2007
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 3418
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 20:55 |
HAVANT TONY wrote:
I rest my case and am going to start a campaign to remove the word "OFFENDED" from the English language just in case it offends someone🤦♂️ |
Your campaign offends me.
|
|
HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner
Joined: 07 Oct 2018
Location: Havant
Status: Offline
Points: 572
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 21:04 |
|
You just used a word that doesn't exist anymore😏
|
|
cheshire exile
World Cup Winner
Joined: 05 Feb 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 2521
|
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 21:49 |
HAVANT TONY wrote:
Richard Lowther wrote:
HAVANT TONY wrote:
I've never liked these stupid American football style names for rugby teams and was left scratching my head and laughing when Bristol became the Bears I've got a mate who's from Bristol and he was gutted when they were the latest club to follow this trend and ripped up their famous coat of arms badge and replaced it with winnie the poohs angry uncle Having said that it's even more ridiculous what's gone on at Exeter being scared stiff of the woke pc snowflake brigade and changing their badge in case it offends someones shadow🤦♂️ |
A few questions for you.
1) Why does the proposed change OFFEND you so much? Are you a snowflake for being offended? 2) How you define Woke and Snowflake? 3) What does the" Indian" headdress/wigwam bar/Tomahawk chop have to do with Rugby? 4) Does changing the branding affect how Exeter play rugby?
|
Richard I suggest you read my post again !
1 i personally am NOT offended by the change at all in fact I cant really recall the last time I was " offended" Exeter can do what they want the only thing that makes me sigh is the fact that they are changing their branding for one reason and that is because they are scared of offending native Americans, name any other reason? take the instance of Canterbury Crusaders in New Zealand they changed because they thought a badge they'd had for years might now offend muslims because of the tragic shootings there. See the common theme here? 2 I define woke and snowflakes as a minority of generally leftwing people who melt at the above scenarios and think they are taking some sort of moral high ground and dictate to the vast majority 3 Indian head dress and wigwams etc have NOTHING to do with rugby as I alluded to in my first paragraph by saying " never liked these stupid American football style names 4 of course the branding doesn't affect the way they play rugby, how could it , daft question really |
How can the “generally left wing” minority “dictate” to what you regard as a “vast majority “? Are the latter somehow supine? Some guy called Farage built his political “career” on suggesting that he was speaking up for the silent majority yet he couldn’t get elected to the Commons despite multiple attempts. Exeter’s use of the Chiefs’ epithet was entirely based on the West Country usage of “chiefs” to denote “first XV” . The marketing team saw the merchandising opportunity and the tide has turned, in the USA and here. IMHO Exeter have handled the issue pretty well.
|
|
HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner
Joined: 07 Oct 2018
Location: Havant
Status: Offline
Points: 572
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 07:33 |
|
If it wasnt for some guy called Farage we'd still be a member of the European Union Of Muppets
|
|
French Connection
World Cup Winner
Joined: 16 May 2017
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 662
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 16:45 |
HAVANT TONY wrote:
If it wasnt for some guy called Farage we'd still be a member of the European Union Of Muppets |
Wow. Not really sure we should be discussing or making comments about that here. However I am looking forward to hearing about all the good bits promised by Brexit - whenever they do actually start. I'm sure that your Supreme Leader will keep you updated. 
|
|
HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner
Joined: 07 Oct 2018
Location: Havant
Status: Offline
Points: 572
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 17:07 |
|
Blimey ! think you need a lay down, been watching too many episodes of star trek I reckon 😂
|
|
CJB1
World Cup Winner
Moseley
Joined: 25 May 2007
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 1921
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 18:51 |
HAVANT TONY wrote:
If it wasnt for some guy called Farage we'd still be a member of the European Union Of Muppets |
"If it weren't for Farage" is not a can of worms that you should wish to open, believe me. Especially if you know any truck drivers.
|
|
"What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
|
|
islander
World Cup Winner
Joined: 17 Mar 2010
Location: jersey
Status: Offline
Points: 7607
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 20:30 |
This thread is almost as far past its 'best-before' date as the original* 'Red Indian' theming...
* original as in dreamed up by the cream of the Devonian marketing fraternity in the mid-late 90s
|
|
jimbojetset
World Cup Winner
Joined: 11 Oct 2017
Location: sale
Status: Offline
Points: 450
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 22:59 |
For those of you who think "the world has gone mad" or that we're just giving in to "woke culture" and forcing decent (let's face it) white people to stop wearing the headdress or do a tomahawk chop because it's jolly good fun, I've got a question for you.
When I head home to Canada over the summer, would you like to join me and pop down to the local First Nations area in Cowichan and put your headdress on in front of the locals and perhaps show them your funky moves, maybe even show them how to a tomahawk chop properly? You could even try to explain to them how you supporting a rugby team in Exeter by dressing up in their headdresses is somehow supporting their culture (a culture you clearly don't understand at all)
Or do you think it might be deemed by them to be mocking their culture? Perhaps even be seen as demeaning?
Some of you need to have a word with yourselves. First Nations and Native American organisations have asked sports organisations to stop using their heritage as mascots and to cease using their imagery along with language that they find demeaning. They've spent generations being treated as 'less than' white people. This type of nonsense just perpetuates it.
|
|
Richard Lowther
Coaching staff
Moderator
Joined: 19 May 2007
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 6605
|
Posted: 01 Feb 2022 at 23:01 |
|
And on Jimbo jetsets excellent post we'll leave it there.
|
|
|
|
Tweet
Exeter Chiefs