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    Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 16:23
OK let's take a break from the Coronavirus.

What one law change would you make to the game to make it better? 
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Stop the clock when scrums have to be reset! 
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An overall weight limit on the match day squad.
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Minimum or maximum?? 😂😂
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 16:57
Return to permitting a mark anywhere on the pitch and reintroduce the kick at goal following a mark.
Might cut down on the pointless kicks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Full Bodied Red Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 16:57
Reduce substitutes and allow them to be used only for injuries. I’m aware this won’t be popular.
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Originally posted by Full Bodied Red Full Bodied Red wrote:

Reduce substitutes and allow them to be used only for injuries. I’m aware this won’t be popular.

I think this would reduce injuries, but implementing this will mean a lot of teams - most teams in fact - will have to amend their game plans. 

I'm for it, though, if it reduces injuries. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Puli. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 18:04
All referees at all levels to strictly enforce the laws 
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Do something to change the rolling maul. Zzzz_zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 18:58
Full bodied Red I totally agree with you and I am seeing more and more pundits also espousing this point.

It would stop the existence of 20 stone props, reduce injuries and increase the number of players actually playing.

And open the game up . .  gets my backing 100%
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 21:04
Bring back the old being able to catch the ball while standing on the line and get the lineout back where it was kicked from.

That law rewarded those who knew the laws.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Mar 2020 at 21:43
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Return to permitting a mark anywhere on the pitch and reintroduce the kick at goal following a mark.
Might cut down on the pointless kicks.
You're aware how rarely a goal was ever kicked from the mark?.  The defending team was allowed to advance up to the point of the mark, meaning that the kick would have to be taken from further away.  And the mark would hardly ever be close to goal anyway.

Funnily enough, this provision still exists in the NFL in the form of the "Fair catch kick" whereby a fair catch from a punt or restart after a score can be followed by an attempt at goal. It doesn't often happen because most fair catches will happen within the receiving team's territory, meaning that the kick will be a minimum of 60 yards. Also, there will usually be a better play available unless time is about to run out.  So almost all attempts occur at the end of a half where the team attempting the kick is no more than 3 points adrift, as that is what a successful kick earns, same as a field goal.  

It's such a rare play that there is usually intense consultation between the coaching teams and the officials on the field as to what formations are possible before the kick is attempted.  Incidentally, the kicker is not allowed a kicking tee, so a holder must be used, but as there is no scrimmage,and no snap, a full run-up to the kick is possible, meaning that greater distance is possible than for a conventional field goal.  Accuracy, however, remains an issue at long distance.  

To put this in perspective, the last successful attempt was in 1976, by Ray Wersching, then playing for the San Diego Chargers vs the Buffalo Bills.  This was from a mere 45 yards, so something clearly went wrong from the Bills' PoV.  There have been 9 subsequent attempts, the most recent in October 2019 in London, when Joey Slye of the Carolina Panthers missed one from 60 yards at the end of the second quarter vs the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 07:24
Never understood why if you knock a ball on and one of your team mates in front of you instinctively picks the ball up/plays it it is a full penalty against your team? Scrum or at worse a free kick surely?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote grooveavenue13 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 07:57
Mine, for now, is the scrum...boring I know. This aspect of the game is vitally important to retain. It is unfair however that the ball into the scrum is never straight. Stop me there abd tell me it doesn't have to be, but I think it should. The infringements to create a scrum are minor and the scrum takes place as a small reward for the "victims" to have the advantage of the put in brining into play timing, anticipation and sometimes the "culprits" turning the ball over. I didn't have to tell you any of this, because you all know! I can see the time, RFU forbid, uncontested scrums may be introduced in which case we all also know the errr.... shape, weight and roll of the scrum will disappear. If the scrum is managed well by he of whistle it's a great part of our unique game. BUT the ball has to be fed to the centre. Sorry for the boring input before opening time - crickey- of course there's no opening time   - I mean before Green Goddess Time!!

My other gripe is the increasing questioning of refs decisions, in my opinion quite often employed to delay a restart. Stop or lose 10 IMMEDIATELY, not after the fifth occasion !!

So if anybody wants to revisit much revisited topics please do so. If not things may get boring after 9am on this 23rd day of March 2020. All keep well see you in September...
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Can't decide on 1 so

1) put an end to caterpillars at rucks - takes too long to set up

2) enforce the law that scrum halves don't feed the scrum

3) time-off from time a scrum is re-set until ball is back in play

4) no kicks at goal outside the 40 yard line

5) change maul rules so that ball must be at front, otherwise it's obstruction

6) increase points for a try to 6, possibly reduce conversion to 1 so there is an incentive to play open rugby

7) stop the RFU interfering in set-up of levels 4 and above
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Can't decide on 1 so

1) put an end to caterpillars at rucks - takes too long to set up

2) enforce the law that scrum halves don't feed the scrum

3) time-off from time a scrum is re-set until ball is back in play

4) no kicks at goal outside the 40 yard line

5) change maul rules so that ball must be at front, otherwise it's obstruction

6) increase points for a try to 6, possibly reduce conversion to 1 so there is an incentive to play open rugby

7) stop the RFU interfering in set-up of levels 4 and above

1 - Agree
2 - Agree
3 - Strongly agree
4 - Disagree - why?
5 - OK, but how do you get the ball out of the maul if it can't be transferred to the rear?
6 - No.  Five points is fine for a try, and conversions are often tricky enough so as to warrant a two-point reward.  The PAT in American Football is always taken from in front of the posts so one point is justified there.
7 - Ha ha, that'll never stop, no matter how much we might like it.
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remove lifting from the line-out


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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

remove lifting from the line-out


What is the rationale for this?

With lifting, line-outs have:

1). Become an athletic spectacle;
2). Remained competitive;
3). Become much easier to police;
4). Become a great source of varied first phase attacking ball.

What’s not to like?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Mar 2020 at 11:24
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

6) increase points for a try to 6, possibly reduce conversion to 1 so there is an incentive to play open rugby

The greater the difference between the value of a try and the value of a penalty, the greater the incentive to prevent the try at all costs, usually by foul rather than fair means.  I realise that you're mitigating this slightly by reducing the value of the conversion, but even at level 7 we have a 70% goalkicker so this isn't going to make that big a difference.
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