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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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If the rumours are true and the game ends up with a 10 team Premiership and 10 team Championship, what benefits does that give to the game and the Championship clubs playing in the reduced league?
When the new Professional Game agreement is signed with the Premiership most suggest it will be on reduced financial terms and the Premiership clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly but have the "benefit" of a ten way rather than 13 way split to soften the blow. Do the Championship clubs think they will see more funding as part of this agreement? The Premiership Cup fixtures may soften the blow of a smaller league but will the finances be any better than now? Will the "new" Premiership 2 be an 'franchised' league with clubs meeting certain criteria, say a minimum crowd capacity and decent veggie food options 😉 and with a good geographic spread which will see the likes of Ampthill and Caldy back into the cold of probably a regionalised league structure below and replaced by The Brand RFC)™ and Darlington MP for example. Is the aim of a Premiership 2 to bridge the gap between the the top two leagues and bring through English Qualified players? If no new money is forthcoming does 10 make sense? |
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1535 |
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Sounds like a crackpot idea from that advisor they brought in from that lesser code. What is the point of reducing the number of teams? Surely that is less money, not more? Can they not see the right answer is to stop behaving like a cartel, let promotion/relegation happen naturally and dump the minimum standards criteria.
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Geoff DC ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Penzance Status: Offline Points: 635 |
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Ten Green Prem Clubs hanging from the wall,
And if one Green Prem Club should accidentally fall ????
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And coldest.
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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But it would the existing club nothing new just playing up levels because they have a good capacity stadium. |
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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If you think of 10 geographical areas of England (plus Channel Islands) then can we fit in teams to fit...
1 North East 2 North West 3 Yorkshire 4 East Midlands 5 West Midlands 6 South Midlands/Thames Valley 7 Anglia 8 London 9 South (with Jersey) 10 South West
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cheshire exile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Feb 2009 Status: Offline Points: 2495 |
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I’m going to make the obvious point that, given the RFU thinks the South West starts at Gloucester which is 230 miles from Penzance, one franchise in that space would be insulting, if not surprising.
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The Blues ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4856 |
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I don’t get reducing to 10 teams, unless they think losing 2 extra home games will mean squads can be cut, which will save more money than the 2 game generate!
For those clubs with a crowd, the home game generate the money. Lose 2 games (if not replaced) you lose match day sponsors, ticket sales, food and drink sales etc. In terms of franchise, you probably need to look at population sizes in regions. Franchises will certainly kill the game. They should poll the fans and see how little interest there is with it.
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PropDad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Mar 2009 Location: Hersham Boy Status: Offline Points: 527 |
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Poll the fans?
That would imply they actually give a damn !!!
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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I'm not suggesting Franchises as in brand new clubs but existing clubs with the minimum agreed criteria in place and their existing fan base.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3736 |
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The word I was told was that Premier 1 and 2 would both be professional, then along came talk of "franchises for clubs to bid for. My understanding is the "franchises" would be in Prem2 and there would be no "championship", there would be two Nat 1 's and 4 Nat 2's, how much of that is fact and how much of that still remains in the grand master plan I do not know. I believe there's some talk of "playoffs for promotion and relegation", but no flesh on the bones was explained
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kempstonblue ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2020 Location: Kempston Status: Offline Points: 522 |
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How long is a piece of string? Is my first thought.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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rugbychris ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 02 May 2019 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 154 |
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To make this work or even vaguely attractive for teams to take on a franchise the RFU or prem rugby will have to find a minimum of an extra 3 million in funding per franchise. Newcastle and Irish are losing that each season running a fully pro team.
Why would any well run solvent part-time champ club want to commit financial suicide by becoming part of this 20 team pro franchise set-up. Surely this isn't even a consideration for the future? Looking at attendances at matches I would think England could at a push sustain 6 pro teams.
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kempstonblue ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2020 Location: Kempston Status: Offline Points: 522 |
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Outside the faithful how many people know where the local rugby club is, and when they play?
I often look at my local area. Newspapers - 1 contains one sports page, free publication hit or miss deliveries, sports editor covers 16 he told me. Population covered by title 250,000. Local Radio -1, local commercial has a regional show covering 8 counties and News being 60/120 seconds does not touch local sport. BBC Local 3 Counties population 2 million, 5 professional soccer teams Yet, in theory many outsiders would imagine Bedford as a location for a franchise. Before any money is poured down drains. What will the RFU do to get the attention and support of local media, so it won’t just be the faithful knowing where and when games are.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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kempstonblue ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2020 Location: Kempston Status: Offline Points: 522 |
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A side note, issue.
Recently discovered advance match ground tickets at Bedford going up from £19.00 to £23.50. I work shifts and cannot guarantee getting to every home match, so it’s match by match see if I am working. If this ten team franchise emerges, I wonder what ticket prices will be 24/25 season? For people like me, we will find the money. But when I can watch other entertainment like IMAX or 4DX movies for £18/£20 how easy it to get someone to stand outside in January, with many second tier clubs having few seats, wind and rain. When a cinema, nice seats, dry and warm costs similar price? Yet, I just feel some at HQ think a rebrand, and tweak of numbers will see customers flooding into the lucky/misfortuned 10 teams.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3736 |
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Don't hold your breath, but someone did say Prem 2 would be "fully funded"
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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But you cannot enjoy a match of rugby, with a pie and a pint and good camaraderie in a cinema. A committed supporter will not be that worried about the cost |
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RAID ON
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1660 |
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"lesser code"!! Typically foolish comment from the south east and a good example of what has always been a problem with our game.
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You really are a embarrassment ' Robb '. Your bigotry really isn't wanted on this site.
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