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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11258 |
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Lancashire clubs are apparently dropping out of the official pyramid into their own structure organised by Lancashire RFU.
The breakaway Lancashire leagues https://twitter.com/lancashirerugby/status/991769243090931712 The remains of the Pyramid https://twitter.com/TarletonRugby/status/991953279037988864 So seven Cumbrian and seven Lancastiran clubs in next seasons NLC (level 7) - lots of travel for everyone. There will be a Cumbrian league and a South Lancashire/Chesire leauge at level 8, but not in North Lancashire. |
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Deva Delinquent ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 May 2017 Location: Chester Status: Offline Points: 1892 |
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What's brought this on?
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thomas snr ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: middleton-on-se Status: Offline Points: 1220 |
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historically the north have always been revolting!
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3662 |
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How does promotion work? Do the winners of the Lancashire RFU division have to apply to join the official RFU North West structure?
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Yogi ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1044 |
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It is the Great Schism of 1895 all over again, when 22 of the clubs in the north formed the Northern Union, which eventually became the Rugby League. That also was due to a disagreement with the RFU but at that time it was over the right to pay 'broken time' to players who gave up work time to play rugby. Well done Lancashire. It idea was mocked in 1895 and it is already being mocked in 2018. It will at least make the 'blazers' at Twickenham sit up and take notice.
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What's with you Boo-Boo
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3662 |
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Not until we have a poll on Rolling Maul with almost 100 votes and 20,000 views...
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PiffPaff ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2014 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 1126 |
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Lancashire Clubs resigning from the RFU English Clubs Championship Aldwinians Ashton under Lyne Birchfield Bury Burnley Clitheroe Didsbury Toc H Eagle Eccles Garstang Heaton Moor Littleborough Liverpool Collegiate Liverpool St. Helens Manchester Medics North Manchester Oldham Ormskirk Thornton Cleveleys* Trafford MV Tyldesley West Park St. Helens Widnes Wigan * Joining from the NW Intermediate Leagues
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5331 |
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Sound like a great idea with relevance for local community rugby. Well done Lancashire - will it creep nationwide or just upwards in Lancashire?
Edited by FHLH - 04 May 2018 at 16:09 |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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PiffPaff ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Oct 2014 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 1126 |
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The bizarre thing is both Cumbria RFU and to some extent Cheshire RFU where opposed to it. Strange as it mirrors a move Cumbria did with the lower Teams of their Clubs from playing outside of Cumbria in organised leagues such as the North West Leagues about 3-4 years ago.
If it don't work I doubt the RFU will refuse any Club wanting to rejoin the RFU Leagues. If its a success then who knows............ Some of the detractors have sited "lack of ambition not to progress within the RFU Leagues", quite a few in the above list who have "lived the dream" and nearly lost the family silverware. It's mentioned more than once on these pages that unless your ambition = a massive bank account / sugar daddy / shrewd financial management then the "nouveau riche" good times normally bring a rapid descent to the bad times. Not saying that applies to all but it only takes a Millionaire backer to choke on his Foie Gras and you are left wondering how your going to pay you next bill! Good luck next season to every Club in and out of the RFU Leagues, getting to this stage of the season still in business regardless of your results is an achievement.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11258 |
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Mark M-J
As far as I understand, the Lancashire RFU League is outside the pyramid, therefore you cannot be promoted from those leagues.
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From the Lancashire RFU web site Statement from Lancashire County RFU A meeting held at Wigan RUFC on 2nd May has resulted in 24 Lancashire Clubs proposing to resign from the RFU English Clubs Championship. At the behest of several clubs a 2 league structure has been developed to accommodate these clubs and assist them in playing more local rugby against clubs within Lancashire RFU. Lancashire RFU have not coerced clubs, we have only provided a conduit to what clubs asked us to help with. The clubs who intend to resign are all either level 7, 8 & 9. There will be promotion/relegation between these two leagues but not out of them as they lie outside the RFU structure. These ‘Lancashire Leagues’ for club First XVs will be deemed by the RFU to be of Merit table format and therefore clubs will: • Retain either their voting or none voting membership of the Union. • Be held accountable to the Rules & Regulations of the RFU • Covered by insurance policies put in place for all clubs in the Union. • Be eligible to apply for any funding streams available to all clubs within the Union without prejudice. • Be eligible for assistance from area & local RFU staff. An organising committee of 5 members from the clubs involved has been formed and they will set down regulations for the league going forwards. Clubs will also be Subject To the same disciplinary regulations as for all clubs in the Union, locally under the jurisdiction of the Lancashire Disciplinary Committee. As a Constituent Body of the RFU Lancashire will continue to support all our clubs whether in the Lancashire leagues or remaining in the RFU English Clubs Championship in the same equitable manner. David Herriman Chairman Mark Downs Hon. Secretary
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Hexhamshire Lad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 26 May 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1965 |
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The biggest name in that list is probably LSH who were in the top tier of the game within recent memory. They've fallen a long way in recent years.
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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It makes sense to me.
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Albert Fishwick ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1062 |
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Having read the full explanation it's hardly the Great Schism. Good luck to them if this will provide the kind of competition that the clubs and their supporters want.
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That's easy for you to say.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11258 |
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It may be perfect for the Lancastrian clubs - but does it work for the Cumbrian and Cheshire clubs.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11258 |
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What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
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Bigmal ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 2013 Location: BRISTOL Status: Offline Points: 1480 |
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Dunno - maybe you should ask them? Only a proposal up North so far?
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373 ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 23 Jun 2016 Location: Norweb Status: Offline Points: 202 |
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Big fish in a small pond. Sums up the arrogance of the majority of Lancs teams very well.
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Redted ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1083 |
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What would the Cornish clubs say if half the Devon sides decided to pull out of the Devon/Cornwall league and play in a Devon Merit table.
Makes perfect sense then the CRFU could then add 2nd teams to the Cornwall Leagues and the top team could be promoted to Western Counties West (providing they were a 1st team). You would get a similar standard of competition with minimal travelling. I've been promoting this idea for years but if falls on deaf ears unfortunately.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11258 |
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I must admit that was not quite the response I expected - I though people would say why do we need to drive to Somerset bypasssing all the Devon clubs.
There are many ways to redraw leagues. The challenge is always to balance travel against mismatches. If Redruth only played Cornish sides ... And you need pathways for ambitious clubs and also for referees. It cannot be done on the back of a fag packet. Though I admit I have tried. |
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