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Park Ranger 
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 Topic: Promotion IssuesPosted: 20 Nov 2021 at 00:53 |
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Of course it would help if we had confirmation of the number going up.
Best guess is 3. Does anyone know if there is a parachute payment? Or when we will know how many are going up? If as many will conclude Cindy and Park will be 2 of the 3 its going to be a huge battle for that 3rd spot. I actually fancy Sale to be that team.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 09:18 |
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I'd hope there's at least five.
But who knows?
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 09:22 |
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It would Why 3, that would leave the Championship with 12, or 13 if Scottish stay. Could be anywhere between 1 and 7. It is as they say a right rugger muddle.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 10:07 |
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We in the Championship would also like to know! We don't yet know what's happening after mid-March, at which point the Championship Cup is due to take place in some guise or other. The decision of the review panel is due to be announced in January I think, but it'll probably have been leaked to the Rugby Paper before then...
Fairly sure there's no parachute payment for clubs relegated from the Champ (altho' it seems very unlikely that there will be relegation in 2022).
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 10:18 |
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Latest informed opinion is that Championship are considering 14 team league with the probability of London Scottish either being relegated or moving to Scottish league funded by SRU.
That would mean 5 promoted!! Not sure if any ground criteria would be imposed, which could be difficult giving some Championship clubs would not achieve it anyway. This would certainly have a big effect on the structure of the championship given that the gap between top and bottom will be very big , there are some Nat 1 sides who would consider themselves financially ready to compete but the gap from top to bottom would make some matches one sided. In the short run Nat 1 would go from 15 to 11 with 3 promoted from Nat 2 N and S. In the long run the logical option would be to consider The Championship to be the top of the semi pro Pyramid outside the Premiership and Nat 1 to be split into North and South, traveling is horrendously expensive, with perhaps a play off for promotion into the Championship. Long term we have to look at how we travel given all transport will have to become electric and costs will become even more prohibitive. Reality will have to be accepted.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 10:37 |
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Is the gap really that big? Even if it is now, would it continue, especially given the cut in funding?
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 11:23 |
WB I have heard the same on the National One potential split which has been on the table for sometime. Is it still January for confirmation ? All the best ST
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 11:28 |
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I thought we had just decided not to split National 1.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 12:04 |
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The Championship Review reports in January. National League Rugby Clubs have already agreed not to split National 1 but to add a third League at National 2. What happens after the Championship Review decision is then pure speculation, something we all enjoy! Splitting National 1 into 2 doesn't work with 3 Leagues below and most of those National 1 Clubs enjoy the national travel involved. Players want the challenges of playing against teams from different parts of England, however, how long that will last is uncertain.
First step is for the Championship to get itself sorted and probably recognise that it needs to find its own money and TV coverage. Then it can decide if it wants to join forces with National League Rugby and start promoting a product with the breadth to challenge the Premiership for quantity, if not quality. I would imagine that any Championship match played today will be better and more competitive than any of the Premiership Cup matches on this weekend.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 12:09 |
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Why would 'ground criteria' as such enter into it next season when it hasn't before?
Apart from a fence around the pitch and a certain level of medical provision, which surely wouldn't be too onerous for anyone. Ampthill managed no problem at all. Edited for stray word.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 12:39 |
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The mistake the RFU made when setting up the leagues and going open was to give clubs funds based on their level in the league structure without making Facilities a key part of the funding . Ten clubs would have had to look at their infrastructure before simply paying players. If that had been the case Ampthill would never have got into the Championship. Nice Club and pitch , just a long walk and cannot host a large crowd. It is still feasible to make facilities part of the promotion process even at Championship and other National leagues.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 13:04 |
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It's feasible, but not desirable IMO.
That way lies the 'closed shop' excuses we've had for years in the Prem. If a side's good enough on the pitch, bring' em up. If they then fail to thrive at that level for whatever reason, let them drop. No false barriers in sport please.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 14:28 |
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It has implications for financial fair play, though. If team A is spending money developing its facilities while team B spends all its budget on player wages and supporters are left standing around the pitchside rope or rail, which side is doing more for the good of the game?
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 17:15 |
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I've always argued for some form of FFP. There's no reason that a properly regulated, realistic FFP system can't be implemented, and I'd be fully supportive of that. But there isn't one yet, and the spineless Union doesn't seem to be able to manage its own competition, so why shouldn't clubs be allowed to at least try? What's more unfair? Limiting clubs by FFP, or by improbably unsustainable ground development? I'm certainly not advocating any club throwing the kitchen sink at the playing side alone, but by the same token all clubs should be allowed to at least try to compete at the higher levels, even if they can't sustain it. How do we know they can't if they are denied by imposed ceilings. Ex did. Yes, many have tried and failed, but that was their right. To try. |
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Posted: 20 Nov 2021 at 17:47 |
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Unfortunately FFP would come down to how it’s governed and by whom
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 14:44 |
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Talk of ground criteria, ffp or any other reason to block promotion suggests certain sides - or at least some supporters - are frit. Of course, no decision should be being made by just the What I would be looking at is whether the Championship could continue with 8 subs, or whether it goes to 5 on the bench and to interchanges - as is currently used in National league matches. The latter could help control costs. |
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 15:50 |
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On Paper Nat 1 next year could include Redruth , Plymouth and Taunton good trips for the Northern Clubs.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 15:58 |
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Just be glad Mount's Bat and Launceston are no longer in National 1. But also remember they have to make the return trips. There was the season where Redruth's closest opponent was Birmingham - though Redruth was their longest trip. We have had nearly ten years of discussion, and everyone seems clear they want three nationwide divisions. Unfortunately, that means putting up with the country's geography. |
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 17:16 |
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Not to mention the much lamented Mount’s Bay’s one season in Nat 1; their first away fixture was at Tynedale….
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 20:17 |
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Frit? I've always advocated bringing clubs up to make the Championship a sixteen team league.
Ffp doesn't actually block anything.
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