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Moseley Mauler ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Moseley Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 643 |
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It all seems to have gone quiet on the Wasps/Worcester front. How long are the RFU going to give them? Hardly seems fair on the current Championship clubs and those in the leagues below.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3713 |
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They are busy celebrating getting a new manager for the only team they really care about.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7463 |
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Latest on WW here (spoiler - not much has changed)
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Steve@Mose ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2798 |
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Old Gold ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1210 |
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Thought all Prem XV teams had to be aligned to a Premiership mens team? |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Online Points: 4450 |
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But there isn't a Worcester mens side at present (or Wasps for that matter) |
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RAID ON
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dumbape ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Status: Online Points: 864 |
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The women’s teams at both these clubs have to be protected and supported. Getting the women’s game to the level it is in this country has taken a lot of sacrifice and effort from a host of clubs. The Wasps and Worcester debacle is not of their making. There are no CVC deals and to be clear the England women’s team is by far the most successful. In the last report and accounts the RFU aggregated the playing stats to pad the results.
Having a safety net for them is essential and the right thing to do. |
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What a blessing it would be if we could open and shut our ears as easily as we open and shut our eyes!
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1524 |
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Technically, Wasps Ladies are not a part of the professional Wasps team. They're part of Wasps FC, the (legally) independent amateur arm.
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Dad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 03 Oct 2013 Location: berks Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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No as otherwise the 3 year franchise /licence deal they work under wouldn't fit with promotion /demotion from mens prem
Also remember Ealing have a Prem15 team from next season and currently no Prem mens team (I am sure they will pick up some from Acton if Wasps don't retain their spot)
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Runitback ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2014 Location: North Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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So with Worcester now bought out of administration, and Wasps likewise what does the Championship look like next year?
If Ealing get promoted, Wasps and Worcester joining, presumably Rams getting promoted does that mean no relegation and a 14 league division? If Ealing dont get promoted . . then the bottom team goes with Rams coming up?
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Run with it
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11249 |
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I think that there is a guarantee of no relegation, so there is a risk of a 15 team league. Cambridge, Sale and even Rosslyn Park have not given up yet. The Rams players are definitely wary of the coming games - even after Saturday's win.
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Runitback ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2014 Location: North Status: Offline Points: 1214 |
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Guarantee?
Also . . Cov might catch Ealing, would they want to go up? I presume Jersey dont have the facilities? Rams must be strong favourites, Sale and Cambridge will push them but I cannot see RP challenging. Yet again I am not sure RFU are bothered if Champ is 8 teams or 16 next season as the year after it looks like being 10! But it does not seem fait Worcs or Warriors ( both new teams) get an immediate "franchise" into the Championship - having gone bust!!
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Run with it
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11249 |
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OK not a definite guarantee, but the regulations currently on the RFU site say no relegation from the Championship, and therefore only two down from National 1. |
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Worcester Warriors: Atlas appointed new owners of former Premiership club
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7463 |
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Funnily enough the RFU put out an update today outlining a final deadline on Valentine's Day for the two relegated clubs...
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workerbee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 907 |
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Let us be clear only two clubs have applied to fulfil the criteria to be promoted to the Premiership Ealing and Doncaster. It is unlikely that Doncaster will win the league. So unless Ealing win the league and pass the Criteria then there will be relegation. If Wasps and Worcester get approval by the 14th Feb to go into Championship (and it would appear that the RFU are doing cartwheels to get them there!) then the Championship will be a 14 team league in 23/24 with one team definitely being promoted from Nat 1 .
What is less certain is the make up of the Premiership in 24/25. If the two league premiership is given the go ahead, then two will be relegated from premiership 1 (given that Ealing do get promoted) and Premiership 2 will consist of 2 premiership teams and the top 8 Championship teams. Therefore 6 championship teams will be relegated into Nat 1 and No Promotion from Nat 1. Level 3 will therefore have to relegate 6 into level 4. If the RFU are clever (which is difficult I know) they will call Level 3 "The championship" but without and funding. Entry to Prem 2 could depend on clubs meeting the criteria, but at a lower level then Prem 1. The question is do we have enough "Professional " clubs to make up 2 leagues of 10 and what will the funding look like for the 24/25 season as the PRL and the RFU have to agree a new contract. Who will negotiate it and will the rest of the game have any input into the negotiations.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11249 |
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There are a few thousand clubs that had run their operations within a budget. There are probably well over a hundred paying players. What we need is a fair funding system that rewards success and permits failure - and does not bankrupt the RFU.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3713 |
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With three going up from National two leagues?
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11249 |
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Currently, it is two down three up, yes.
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Halliford ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4193 |
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There are discussions taking place around Level 3 (National 1) in 24/25 to avoid mass relegation to Level 4. I don't want to go into detail as these are only discussions at this point.
I found it interesting that although Wasps have talked about maintaining an elite presence at Level 2, the press release from Worcester didn't make the same commitment and suggested they might restart below Elite (Level 2) rugby. The irony of that is that Wasps have no ground but Worcester do!
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