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Steve@Mose ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2797 |
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The two best teams in the world bidding to be the first to raise Webb Ellis Cup for the fourth time both having overcome defeats in the group stage to reach the final. Hopefully another humdinger for us next Saturday night.
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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(Reuters) - England’s Wayne Barnes, the most experienced referee in history with 110 tests, will officiate Saturday’s World Cup final between New Zealand and holders South Africa in Paris, World Rugby confirmed on Monday. Barnes will have compatriots Karl Dickson and Matthew Carley as his assistant referees, with Tom Foley named as the Television Match Official. |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3660 |
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Really don't understand why Luke Pearce hasn't been involved in the knockout stages. No question that Barnes is the best ref out there, but Pearce wasn't far off his level in the group stages, and certainly much better than some of those who have had multiple appointments in the final three weekends.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7463 |
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100% agree MWJ - having looked at social media there are a large number of people, including some respected/ senior journos, who are scratching their heads for the same reason...
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1524 |
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Fully deserved too, was almost guaranteed
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Albert Fishwick ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1050 |
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I'm surprised Raynal didn't get to run touch at least in his home country. Not saying he should have, just that I'm surprised!
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That's easy for you to say.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4450 |
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I agree with both comments |
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RAID ON
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7463 |
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Raynal is 42, perhaps in the running for 2027? WR seem to have seen the merit of having a team who work together often.
Remain surprised about Luke Pearce having zero KO appointments (middle or touch) this year - in age terms, he's much younger (35) but I'd say he's ready now.
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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SA go for a 7-1 split on the bench
South Africa XV: 15. Damian Willemse, 14. Kurt Lee Arendse, 13. Jesse Kriel, 12. Damian De Allende, 11. Cheslin Kolbe, 10. Handre Pollard, 9. Faf de Klerk; 1. Steven Kitshoff, 2. Bongi Mbonambi, 3. Frans Malherbe, 4. Eben Etzebeth 5. Franco Mostert 6. Siya Kolisi, 7. Pieter-Steph du Toit, 8. Duane Vermeulen. Replacements: 16. Deon Fourie, 17. Ox Nche, 18. Trevor Nyakane, 19. Jean Kleyn, 20. RG Snyman, 21. Kwagga Smith, 22. Jasper Wiese, 23. Willie le Roux. |
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Steve@Mose ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2797 |
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Bongi Mbonambi named in South Africa team to face New Zealand
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1524 |
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Justice. That's all I'll say about that.
Edited by Robb - 28 Oct 2023 at 20:11 |
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castleparknight ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 3003 |
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No
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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tulip ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 12 Mar 2012 Location: W Yorks Status: Offline Points: 2191 |
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I thought All Blacks would have gone for drop goal when they were close with 15 minutes to go.
Good game but rugby as I like to see it wasn’t like the 2 quarter finals But well done South Africa. They found a way to win
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Camquin1 ![]() Mini and Juniors ![]() Joined: 28 Oct 2023 Location: Fen Ditton Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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The quarter-finals were played in the dry, that might have had something to do with it.
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Rabbie Burns ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3331 |
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Game decided by outside influences
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7463 |
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Interesting theory RB - by all means elaborate…
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Rabbie Burns ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3331 |
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Okay islander and these are opinions which everyone has.
The TMO and referral system are not fit for purpose. First yellow NZ 6 - in game time no action from any officials hauled back by TMO suddenly its a debate on what they thought was going on on review couldn’t be helped so was it a yellow IMO no Red Card Cane - again missed by officials dragged back by TMO and all manner of interpretations IMO Kriel (who should have received a red v Scotland for something worse/similar) was on hos way down leaning forward yellow at worse. If it was bad enough for Red why no HIA. Yellow SA 6 - if Canes was a red I can see no mitigation that applies to this direct Head on head must be red Yellow SA winger - okay see these given probably correct. So in essence the game was decided by guys sat in a bunker giving their interpretation of what they thought happened so not the match officials. I thought WB had a decent game and a couple of times overruled what the TMO decision which is tough for me to say Too much for a Sunday morning
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3660 |
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I don't think Kolisi should have had his yellow upgraded because he is clearly bent at the hip. Cane, on the other hand, is upright and therefore 'never legal', to fall back on the terminology the refs were using last season. The officials got them.both right, in my view.
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PM009 ![]() First XV regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Jan 2019 Location: Kent Status: Offline Points: 71 |
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Cane’s was direct shoulder contact to the head when he’s not lowered his height. Doesn’t matter what the Kriel does with his height if the tackler doesn’t lower and make direct contact he’s gone.
Kolisi wasn’t direct contact, first contact went through the shoulder which was mitigation. Both were refereed correctly to the law, wether you like the law or not is another question but both correct
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KnightsBoy ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Oct 2010 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 2780 |
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What I don't understand is why the ball carrier is allowed to shove their forearm etc into the head of the tackler. Etzebet got away with this several times.
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