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    Posted: 30 May 2023 at 15:08
Hi all

I have been involved with football all my life so when it comes to ground grading I am clued up from 50 capacity covered stands to enter at step 6 up to the premier leagues 10000k all seater requirement, I know rugby both union and league are not as well funded but I cant seem to find any ground grading regs from the rfu ?
As you may have gathered elite stands make container style stands and are looking at both rugby codes for growth but cant seem to find which level to aim at as I cant find any guidance.

can anyone post a link for the rfu or the wrfu

thanks
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Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

Hi all

I have been involved with football all my life so when it comes to ground grading I am clued up from 50 capacity covered stands to enter at step 6 up to the premier leagues 10000k all seater requirement, I know rugby both union and league are not as well funded but I cant seem to find any ground grading regs from the rfu ?
As you may have gathered elite stands make container style stands and are looking at both rugby codes for growth but cant seem to find which level to aim at as I cant find any guidance.

can anyone post a link for the rfu or the wrfu

thanks

Ask Ealing last 3 , thats not supposed to be funny either, but they have had a problem for the last 3 seasons as the goal posts move each each depending on what why the win is blowing!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 15:43
Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

Hi all

I have been involved with football all my life so when it comes to ground grading I am clued up from 50 capacity covered stands to enter at step 6 up to the premier leagues 10000k all seater requirement, I know rugby both union and league are not as well funded but I cant seem to find any ground grading regs from the rfu ?
As you may have gathered elite stands make container style stands and are looking at both rugby codes for growth but cant seem to find which level to aim at as I cant find any guidance.

can anyone post a link for the rfu or the wrfu

thanks
Perhaps not that clued up?
The Premier League has a requirement for 5000 capacity, not 10k, which makes RU's Prem requirements even more laughable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 15:44
I think you will find that only the Premier league has a ground criteria. Requiring clubs to have a 10,000 capacity. All leagues below do not. I believe that the RFU made a big mistake when the Rugby went professional and all National leagues clubs received a payment from the RFU plus travel expenses. That was the time to introduce ground criteria for level 2-4 entry levels. Instead the clubs used the money they received to pay players and not improve their grounds. Thus starting the a cycle of destruction in todays Rugby. Unfortunately the one thing you cannot buy is Loyalty.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Deva Delinquent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 15:48
Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

Hi all

I have been involved with football all my life so when it comes to ground grading I am clued up from 50 capacity covered stands to enter at step 6 up to the premier leagues 10000k all seater requirement, I know rugby both union and league are not as well funded but I cant seem to find any ground grading regs from the rfu ?
As you may have gathered elite stands make container style stands and are looking at both rugby codes for growth but cant seem to find which level to aim at as I cant find any guidance.

can anyone post a link for the rfu or the wrfu

thanks

Something like Gloucester City's Tiger Turf stadium?

To answer your question, I'd start by contacting Championship and National 1 sides first and see how you get on.
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10k hence the lutons dump and there possible move to mk or watford

you can enter the championship with 5k capacity and 2k seated but have to be all seater within 2 season or building another ground
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote elitestands Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 15:53
yes similar style, planning not always required and can create grounds upto 2k all seater or a mix
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is there a level where you require at least seating or could a club go from counties to championship and stay with stay tents pavillions but no seated stand. even when i watched wakefield they were in the 2nd tier had seating at both sides with terracing at both ends
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Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

10k hence the lutons dump and there possible move to mk or watford

you can enter the championship with 5k capacity and 2k seated but have to be all seater within 2 season or building another ground

Luton’s capacity is not an issue.

It is old, so the hospitality boxes are going for tv cameras, media facilities.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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10k is from the legislation - the Safety of Sports Grounds Act. a stadium with 10k+ accommodation requires a licence. The Premier League got a dispensation from that for Bournemouth when they were first promoted and the limit for football was recued to 5k. The RFU didn't seek the same dispensation hence the requirement for Ealing/Jersey/Doncaster to demonstrate a 10k stadium despite the fact that their crowds will probably never fill the stadium.
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capacity is those little boxes wont fit the media in also where do the sponsors go ?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 16:21
Seating is required from step 6 - level 10, albeit only 50 seats at that level.



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correct at step 7 cover is advised but not required seats can be anything, car seat , old sofa, park bench lol
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Jersey Reds chairman got quite a bit of 'airtime' for this tweet over the w/e -

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I’m was born in Luton and had many seasons watching them at Kenilworth Rd. Marvellous to see them get back in to the Prem yesterday. 
That will be worth £175m to the club. 
Reds won the rugby Championship (Luton were 3rd!). Our reward? Not a single penny…
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Ampthill are a championship rugby team (same league name as football I think)

Article here is relatively current about the facilities there.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 May 2023 at 18:18
Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

10k hence the lutons dump and there possible move to mk or watford

you can enter the championship with 5k capacity and 2k seated but have to be all seater within 2 season or building another ground
Good grief - it's 5k. Over and out (no point arguing with the hard of checking).
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yes heard about amphill, puzzling that they dont even have hard standing gods knows what happens in bad weather and for the disabled, they would struggle.
That place would not meet step 7 in football as they have not even fenced off the pitch. there player wage versus ground works budget must be the biggest gap in world rugby.
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Originally posted by elitestands elitestands wrote:

yes heard about amphill, puzzling that they dont even have hard standing gods knows what happens in bad weather and for the disabled, they would struggle.
That place would not meet step 7 in football as they have not even fenced off the pitch. there player wage versus ground works budget must be the biggest gap in world rugby.

It’s a great place to watch a match though.
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Ampthill also doesn't have floodlights, so winter games sometimes need an early kickoff. As an Ealing supporter, I am not a fan of harsh ground criteria, but my podunk highschool in a town of 500 had lights and a 500 seat stand.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

10k is from the legislation - the Safety of Sports Grounds Act. a stadium with 10k+ accommodation requires a licence. The Premier League got a dispensation from that for Bournemouth when they were first promoted and the limit for football was recued to 5k. The RFU didn't seek the same dispensation hence the requirement for Ealing/Jersey/Doncaster to demonstrate a 10k stadium despite the fact that their crowds will probably never fill the stadium.

And of course Jersey could always argue that the Act of Parliament doesn't apply to them!
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