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    Posted: 28 Nov 2022 at 13:16
 'Shot clock' may be introduced to help speed up game

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A countdown 'shot clock' on scrums, line-outs and kicks at goal could be introduced to help speed up the game before the Rugby World Cup.

The sport's key stakeholders met last week to consider ways to improve the flow of international rugby.

Other ideas include enhancing the in-stadium fan experience by broadcasting interactions between the referee and television match official [TMO].

The proposals will be considered by World Rugby over the coming weeks.
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There already is a clock on kicks, the referees just need the balls to call it.
The referee can already penalize for time wasting.
The problem with line-outs and scrums is it is often not clear who is holding play up,
And at a scrum, safety comes first.
But if a prop fails to bind, or binds with the elbow down, blow immediately before the ball goes in.
If a prop is penalized three times, card them.
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In the case of 'shot clocks' we don't need yet more technology just referees to tell the players to get on with it and then to actually penalise those who don't. It really isn't that difficult and it could start immediately. 
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Absolutely  . . Eng V SA such a dull watch . . .but it could mean we have tv commercials every time a scrum is set!!!!!
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Not related to time wasting, but, how about putting the ball straight in to scrums? Old fashioned I know, but it is the law and very easy to referee
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Or at Twickenham get Erica Roe to run on while scrum resets. 😁
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Not convinced that she would be very rapid these days, what with the natural movement of her attributes in a southerly direction....
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Originally posted by One For The Ditch One For The Ditch wrote:

Not convinced that she would be very rapid these days, what with the natural movement of her attributes in a southerly direction....
They weren't exactly northerly way back then.
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Instead of giving the kicker 90 seconds, or whatever, to take the kick, why not just stop the clock until the ball is struck. Penalties or conversions. From hand let it run, but play should re-start as soon as possible.
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The only true beneficiaries of a 'Shot Clock' would be Australians.
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Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

The only true beneficiaries of a 'Shot Clock' would be Australians.

Why?
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

The only true beneficiaries of a 'Shot Clock' would be Australians.

Why?

From around 16:50 - Australia leading by 3 points win a penalty in the shadow of the posts, Foley delays taking the penalty kick (despite being urged to take the kick by some of his team) and Raynal awards a scrum to New Zealand.
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But the clock wouldn't apply in that instance because Foley isn't kicking for goal.
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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Instead of giving the kicker 90 seconds, or whatever, to take the kick, why not just stop the clock until the ball is struck. Penalties or conversions. From hand let it run, but play should re-start as soon as possible.

This is a much better proposal for kicks at goal. No pressure on the kicker for time constraints. As for scrums, i'd say that it should just be the refs being more proactive at awarding free kicks for timewasting or alter the laws to allow the ref to award a penalty for blatant timewasting.
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Can you imagine how long the games will take if all this comes in! Already nearly 2 hours for premiership matches. Any club without floodlights would need to kick off in the morning to finish before it was dark. Also with all the waiting will need to treat a few for frost bite!
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Originally posted by IonMan IonMan wrote:

Can you imagine how long the games will take if all this comes in! Already nearly 2 hours for premiership matches. Any club without floodlights would need to kick off in the morning to finish before it was dark. Also with all the waiting will need to treat a few for frost bite!
Spot on mate the last thing we want is shot clocks we just need stronger match officials who warn time wasters at all stages of play and then penalise timewasters ruthlessly. 
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How will shot-clocks for kicks make games last longer? Surely the aim is to ensure that the ball is in play more than at present. 60 seconds seems reasonable, including a 10-second warning from 'Sir', and if you haven't struck the ball when time's up, the kick is automatically deemed to have missed, with the game-clock running throughout.

I'm less convinced by how 'scrum-clocks' would work. Stopping the clock for endless re-sets is perhaps better than a scrum using up 5 mins of playing time, but neither situation is very satisfactory. Maybe free-kicks awarded for delays etc at scrums should not include the right to opt for another scrum - you have to either tap & run, or kick?

Lineouts - not a massive problem IMHO, altho' the team meeting b4 each lineout can be irritating. Set period (20 secs, perhaps 30) for team to throw in after ball goes into touch - fail to do that, throw goes to other side.
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Surely the answer to this is tougher refereeing and applying the laws, including straight scrum put in and hookers feet outside the field of play at throw ins..
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At least half the things they try to fix already have solutions in the law book.
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Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

Surely the answer to this is tougher refereeing and applying the laws, including straight scrum put in and hookers feet outside the field of play at throw ins..

Scrum put-ins = agree. Altho' have almost given up hope...

Hooker's feet outside the field of play at throw-ins - surely not even in the top 100 problems relating to rugby union and the laws of the game?
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