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Steve@Mose
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Posted: 12 Apr 2023 at 16:55 |
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World Rugby considering card reviews for World Cup depending on trials
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jimbojetset
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Am I missing something or does this seem like a weirdly reasonable and sensible idea?
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Old Gold
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Way beyond the thought processes at the RFU. Eminently sensible idea.
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billesleyexile
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nothing to disagree with there.
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keep the faith
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Brizzer
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They quote the Steward error, but this would not change that result. The referee decided that there were no mitigating circumstances with a high level of danger. Not once did he consider a yellow. What they need to do is to look at these things at normal speed rather than just slow mo, where we all could change our body positions. Thankfully the game is not played in super slow motion, but I do not see this changing anything.
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Tackle Low!!!!!
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tulip
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I thought in the Super rugby trial if it was deemed a red card after 20 minutes they would allow a replacement for red carded player.
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Kimbo
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Exactly. I thought we'd slipped back to April 1st for a moment.
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MikeGC
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w.r.t. to the Steward incident
If the orange card had been available to the referee, he would have had the chance to skip all the jibber-jabber (how can I make myself more important) and had Steward in the bin whilst the extra TMO carried out their review. |
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Camquin
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Why have the orange card, why not have the second TMO review all yellow cards? Most will be trivially kept at yellow. |
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Brizzer
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Look, there is a difference between an accidental collision and a reckless challenge. Instead of wrapping the referees up in over regulation, let them interpret the laws as they see fit with safety in mind, but also in a way that allows rugby to be rugby. I understand that we need to get contact away from the head, but sometimes it happens and it doesn’t always have to end in a red card (or any card for that matter). I would say that any international level ref should know the difference without some bureaucrat forcing them to act one way or another.
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Tackle Low!!!!!
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islander
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I would hope that it would change the result - maybe not in every case, but if it eliminated the majority of howlers, that would be a good thing, surely? Is there a downside?
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Brizzer
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I take your point Islander and you can call me a cynic, but this could lead to the referee having less on field power….. maybe one to chew over whilst having a pint… or perhaps two |
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Camquin
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The Steward card showed how hard it is to draw that line, especially when you know the world is watching as you have stopped the game and everyone is focussed on you. Obviously, if you see someone walk up to another player and punch them, or similar, you can show a red. But in TV land, if there is any doubt, once you have established foul play, show a yellow and let your colleague take ten minutes to review it.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Halliford
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This also creates yet another divide between top level rugby and the rest of us. Only internationals and top level matches have TMOs so this won’t work for the vast majority of the game.
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Mark W-J
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It does - but thankfully World Rugby appear not to be considering that change.
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FHLH
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Exeter have another view. Leave 15 on the pitch, just e so the red carded player for a substitute. Retain yellow, but seems to me that red should become yellow then new player on if that is his argument
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Sid James
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Something I said after the Steward incident: I believe that leaving 15 players on the field is vital, if possible. I appreciate World Rugby's attempts to try and improve matters for the World Cup but, I hink it is time for World Rugby/RFU to take something further from RL, rather than just their best Coaches. It is time to introduce ‘putting a player on report’. Obvious reckless/foul/dangerous play should still carry red/yellow cards but when the officials have a ‘difficult’ decision to make or have some ‘doubts’, they could confer with the TMO and agree to say to the player “I am putting you on report”. This would leave the player on the field and the incident would be looked at the next day by an appropriate team of officials. They may make the decision that there was no case to answer or, they could say that should have been a red card and the player would miss the next international match or two, if deemed necessary by the offence. The introduction of ‘putting players on report’ would mean that more International matches are decided by skill rather than by one team having more players than the other. The Ref’s would have some fall back regarding difficult decisions and, the paying spectators would have a match worth watching Edited by Sid James - 13 Apr 2023 at 13:36 |
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FHLH
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The trial will be based on the following principles: As is currently the case, clear and obvious red cards for foul play involving contact with the head will receive a red card resulting in the player being permanently removed from the game and unable to be replaced. For any incident where a red card is not obvious, a yellow card will be issued and dedicated foul play reviewers in a central bunker review the incident using all available technology and footage. Once 10 minutes has elapsed, the yellow card is either upheld and the player returns to the action or it is upgraded and the player permanently leaves the field, unable to be replaced.
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Steve@Mose
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World Rugby confirms card review trial at upcoming World Rugby Under-20 Championship
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