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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2613 |
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1532 |
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Quite rightly. Well done Championship.
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*Stalwart ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 15 Oct 2022 Location: Penzance Status: Offline Points: 329 |
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This is great - time to stand up and be counted.
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Old Gold ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1211 |
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Absolutely the correct decision.
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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It would be good to think their views will be respected but I have my doubts.
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2613 |
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Good story about this on the front page of The Rugby Paper. I do not think that they are being at all alarmist in saying that if the proposed PGA goes ahead, Twickenham will end up put in hock. An SGM must be called, and Sweeney MUST go.
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SK 88 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Status: Offline Points: 588 |
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Twickenham is already "in hock", it is already used as security for the RFU's debts. Putting Twickenham into its own company & selling a proportion of it would probably be an extremely healthy thing for rugby overall.
What we really need is transparency from the RFU, what is explicitly being proposed so we can see what complaints are justified and what ones aren't. Similarly, what is the alternative proposal being put forward by the Championship or others? If the choice is between a flawed RFU plan and nothing then it's no real choice at all.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11254 |
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The problem is that you need 100 signatures, and for most clubs this is not an issue. They never got anything from the RFU before, and do see that they will get less now.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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gerg_861 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Jun 2017 Location: Ealing Status: Offline Points: 2613 |
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It really should be though. Tens of millions should be diverted from the Prem cartel back to the constituent clubs. This is literally a situation where the clubs could vote for more presents for christmas. I am baffled as to why they don't.
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workerbee ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 910 |
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The issue is simple - There is a lot of talk about what the RFU would like to happen but it is all conjecture as they have never put it down on paper or met with the Championship clubs to negotiate, The new deal with the Premiership has been done behind closed doors and the Championship or the rest of the clubs in the country are not aware of the details. How can a deal be done which puts the RFU into so much debt not be put to the constituent clubs before it is signed off as effectively we will be carrying the burden. The RFU is for all not just 10 clubs. Any future income will be swallowed up, so no more loans or grants no more 4G pitches. The premiership will go one whilst many clubs and teams will shrivel up and die.
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Stuartnottingham ![]() First XV squad ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2022 Location: Nottingham Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Who puts Sweeney in charge ? Do all clubs in the country vote for the council members? If so why oh why are we letting Sweeney destroy club rugby in this country . On the verge of something spectacular . YES clubs moving to the URC.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11254 |
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Sweeney is the CEO He is not elected. The chair of the Board of Directors and the Portfolio Directors shall be appointed by the Board of Directors, provided that (subject to Rule 12.8) each may only take office following the ratification of the appointment by the Council and the Members. The Council and the Members may only either ratify, or not ratify, such appointments; they may not propose alternative candidates for appointment. |
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11254 |
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If you remember, after Will Carling called the Council 57 old windbags, there was a call for "modernization". This was a code word used in the 90s and 2000s for removing democratic control and putting unelected managers in place. It happened in politics, in charities as well as in sport. So we got the RFU board, a set of managers, appointed by the board, and officially under the oversight of the council and the members - through General Meetings However, the powers of the council were severely limited. The General Meeting officially has power, but most cubs send a proxy vote to be used by the chair. There are external non-executive directors, who are meant to bring their expertise, and they should also hold the executive directors to account. The main reason for having them is to qualify for Sports England funding, however their fees eat up much of that funding. |
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5043 |
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Camquin,
As usual the level of detail you bring to the debate is illuminating. The current structure provides no check or effective oversight of the executive management of the RFU. You would expect that in any effective governance structure, incompetence, self interest and delusional PR would be quickly rooted out. There do not appear to be any such checks and balances within the RFU. It is like climate change....we all know it is happening but there is no effective international body that can actually prevent the inevitable disaster. I think it likely that the RFU has now probably gone beyond the tipping point and that the extinction of rugby as we know it is also inevitable
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''The future isn't what it used to be''
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BP Youth ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Location: At home Status: Offline Points: 489 |
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Paraphrasing Monty Python, has the time now come for L2 and below to ask " What have the RFU done for us?"
The reply won't be as long or as funny as the scene in Life of Brian
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It's only a game
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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To get to the 100 clubs, are you asking your respective clubs to vote for a SGM? It's a far more practical step than complaining on here.
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Big Eddie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Status: Offline Points: 5043 |
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A very valid point Richard but I suspect that the apathy in regard to all of this is part of the problem. In my case I used to be passionate about the lack of equity and fairness in just about everything that the Executive of the RFU did. However, such is the hard wired malaise within the RFU I am now pretty much beyond caring and I suspect many other are as well.
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5330 |
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I've sat here reading this thread and end up thinking, as I have done for a long time, what is the purpose of the RFU? For all the fine words on the Annual Report, I wonder if it does anything other than serve the 10 clubs in the Premiership. It has ~700 employees - what do they do? I suspect that the majority of the administration below Level 2 could be outsourced to a country with a lower cost base or to a region in the UK where London weighting wouldn't apply.
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11254 |
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If you do try to get clubs to send in letters, the person you need to send them to is ... Bill Sweeney. Clubs do not want to be the first to put their head above the parapet, so you get more excuses than Gary Cooper in High Noon. I did try, and got enough letter to cause a stir, but not enough to trigger an SGM. Even if you get all the Championship and National league clubs, you are 26 clubs short. The council has called for change, immediately before the world cup. We shall see. |
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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To get the numbers, not just the 100 for the SGM but a majority to change the status quo, there must be a demonstration to the rest of the club that is it their money which is being wasted. Argue they could receive £X, 000 a season to improve their ground, provide coaching, buy new kit, purchase a mini bus etc and you would garner support from clubs that could do with this money and equipment.
Until you do that a club at level 9njust aren't interested as long as they get their share of international tickets.
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