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    Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 08:28
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/11/29/grass-roots-rugby-clubs-target-removal-of-bill-sweeney/

Been here before, but feels a bit different this time. Anybody know Rob Sigley of Bournville RFC? Ex Mose.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 08:56
I was thinking that Rob had a spell at Cov, but that was his brother Terry.
Neither of them took a step back on the field, so I think it safe to say that Rob won't on this issue either.
As an aside, today's Rugby Paper is peppered with anti-RFU/Sweeney/Ilube narrative. There's definitely a stick stirring the wasps nest, so let's hope it's the beginning of long-overdue change.
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There is also very significant outrage and anger amongst the RFU's salaried staff who have been very shocked and dismayed by the recent revelations about salaries and bonuses for the RFU board at a time of some austerity for the rank and file.

Various sources have provided me with a bit more colour on what has been going on and if true (and I do not doubt the veracity of what I am being told) then it shows how incredibly out of touch and unjustifiably self enriching the board of the RFU appear to be. I have been told :

- earlier this year RFU rank and file employees were told that there couldn't be any salary rises because 40 staff had been made redundant and no pay increases could be afforded or justified

- fuel cards which enable rank and file staff who have to travel on RFU business to buy petrol or diesel without pre funding the fuel costs themselves are having their fuel cards removed. For staff who are involved in extensive travel by car this will have a negative cash flow impact on them of up to £500 or more until their expense claims are eventually reimbursed.

If the above is true it is scandalous that the people right at the top of the RFU can award themselves many £100,000's of pay rises and bonuses whilst denying the same to their staff. This is inequitable, unfair and isn't leadership. It is self enrichment of the most odious kind and personally I wouldn't respect or follow a leadership team that behaved in this way.

I am sure that the Board of the RFU will come out with some self serving tosh to justify their outrageous salaries and bonuses which in my mind could never ever be justified to those that run a monopoly. It is as wrong as wrong can be !

I understand that on Monday 2nd December Bill Sweeney will be meeting with many RFU employees. He will be in for a very rough ride indeed.

The lack of accountability, governance and basic fairness of the RFU to the vast majority of their member clubs (excepting of course those in the Premiership!) has been ignored by the member clubs for far too long, and now such behaviour is also affecting the rank and file staff who work for the RFU.  Perhaps due to these latest very public excesses the grass roots game, at long last may, be waking up to this shocking state of affairs that has continued for way more than a decade.

Something has to be done.....surely NO Council Member can turn a blind eye to this utterly disreputable state of affairs?


Edited by Big Eddie - 01 Dec 2024 at 09:51
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JZSmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 12:12
Originally posted by Big Eddie Big Eddie wrote:

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Something has to be done.....surely NO Council Member can turn a blind eye to this utterly disreputable state of affairs?

Well they have for years Eddie so sadly I can see very little changing. We have been here so many times before.
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This whole saga just stinks.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 19:31
It needs to stink enough that the chairman of the Felpersham club playing in the Borsetshire County Merit Tables can smell it.

As long as Bill Sweeney has the proxy votes from those smaller clubs, he can get defeat a motion of sanction at a General Meeting.

And they have so little to do with the RFU, they generally do not vote.





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I can recall attending a RFU AGM and sitting next to two services delegates who had wads of votes they had in their possession for the various stations they represented.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Breakdown Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 2024 at 23:51
It will be interesting to see if the Community Clubs Union manages to rouse up enough feeling. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2024 at 12:24
I fear the Community Clubs Union has a lot of similarities to Voltaire's description of the Holy Roman Empire.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2024 at 20:05
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

I fear the Community Clubs Union has a lot of similarities to Voltaire's description of the Holy Roman Empire.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Dec 2024 at 22:04
The Telegraph are reporting that an emergency Council meeting has been called for the 18th.
Lobby you Council member.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Dec 2024 at 09:39
NLR have asked Member Clubs for opinions ahead of that meeting to support our 1 Council Member. Our CB has yet to make contact.
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I had been picking up rumours that a lot of Nat League clubs were unhappy their views on BS etc were not being transmitted by their rep. Anyone else hear that?
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Past presidents call for resignations
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Nat 1 clubs and former RFU Chairmen are not Grass Roots.

I am a member of 2 grass roots clubs (1st teams in L7 & 9). This story hasn't been mentioned in my various WhatsApp groups.


We're more worried about fixing floodlights and hoping the storm passes without smashing anything or flooding the pitches.

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I'm up for BS going and will report back if I hear anything.
In fact a pre match lunch ina fortnight will have the county allickadoos down.


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Bill Swiney, the RFU master
For rugby, he's been a disaster,.
He’d count every pound,
His wealth would resound,
A miserly man, money-hungry.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2024 at 10:06
All 12 champ clubs have called for Sweeney and co. To step down per several publications.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JZSmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Dec 2024 at 11:23
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

All 12 champ clubs have called for Sweeney and co. To step down per several publications.

It would probably be easier to list the clubs that actually want him to continue.


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Here is the statement posted on the Chinnor website.

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