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Yogi ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1044 |
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I have just read a very interesting article in the latest Rugby Paper featuring an interview with the Head Coach of Hull Ionians Joe Makin. In it he expressed his wish for his club to become the leading amateur club in Yorkshire, using the word amateur on three occasions. Does this mean that Hull Ionians are considering going truly amateur and maybe ceasing to pay their players? Yogi.
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What's with you Boo-Boo
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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I think this depends on your definition of amateur to be honest. For example if expenses are paid at what point do you move from amateur to professional? When I played I was a true amateur. No one sensible would have paid for my services and I paid all my own expenses and bought my own kit. I doubt the same is true of the Hull Ionians senior players and quite rightly so if people are paying to watch them play.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11262 |
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Careful, you will start discussing broken time next.
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Clive Norling ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 2018 Location: Reading Status: Offline Points: 348 |
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When the expenses are grossly exaggerated? |
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Kentish Man ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() Joined: 29 Aug 2018 Location: Kent Status: Offline Points: 156 |
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For any properly run club expenses cannot be grossly inflated as governed by HMRC rules and if not adhering then it is a payment ( in kind) and therefore taxable income.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3735 |
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I paid subs to get a shoeing when wrongly accused of being on the wrong side of a ruck.............
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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I would suggest replace Amateur with Part time and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Yogi ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1044 |
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Richard,
With respect, not when Joe Makin used the word amateur three times in a national newspaper.
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What's with you Boo-Boo
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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You miss the point entirely.
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kingsheathlad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: Alcester Status: Offline Points: 3298 |
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If a player is on a contract but only paid a match fee is that.semi-pro.
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Cauliflower ear.
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 693 |
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Depends how big the fee is, doesn't it?
If it's a 2nd job type fee then, yes, semi-pro. |
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kingsheathlad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: Alcester Status: Offline Points: 3298 |
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Thanks Paul.
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Cauliflower ear.
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6574 |
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A contract requires a quid pro quo, in Rugby presumably payment for playing, so the size of the fee is irrelevant, it's the fact you are getting any fee that tips you into the professional sphere. The Semi part would come in under this dictionary definition "receiving payment for an activity but not relying entirely on it for a living"
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Paul10 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 2023 Location: Milton Keynes Status: Offline Points: 693 |
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Thanks Richard.
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kingsheathlad ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: Alcester Status: Offline Points: 3298 |
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I'm guessing in National 1,no players are fully professional,perhaps have full time jobs ,so match fees could be pocket money to cover travel to club for training and games.
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Cauliflower ear.
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tigerburnie ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 10 Jun 2012 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 3735 |
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I thought Rosslyn Parks players were pro and full time, not sure why I thought that, sure someone on here said so, of the others I'm not sure. Not all the Championship are full time pro either are they? The Lions say on their Pitchero site, that they are a semi pro side, what ever that entails.
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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Yes Ashley that was what I meant.
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1660 |
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Quite correct Richard. Over the years, Yogi's Club have repeatedly 'missed the point entirely' when it comes to paying players.
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All Knwoing All Seeing
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Sid James ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Jun 2013 Location: East Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1660 |
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Joe also mentioned Hull Ionians 2ndXV, the Ramblers team, the Senior Womens team, the very successful Mini Junior Section and the army of Club volunteers. Have you anything to say on those points?
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Thatbloke ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1742 |
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Here we go - get ready for some East Yorkshire tit-for-tat banter!! 😂😂
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