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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7507 |
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Article below from the Telegraph concerns the Prem, but gives a (rather pessimistic) glimpse into the potential longevity of the current crisis, and would have wider implications, including for Championship including our outgoing (Falcons) & incoming (Sarries) members... (as well as internationals, Lions, Europe etc)...
But of course this is speculative and only options at this stage.
Premiership Rugby is fast-tracking
innovations – including remote-camera technology – and planning the logistics
for playing behind closed doors, with a growing acceptance within clubs that
crowds are unlikely to return until next year. It is
understood that clubs are determined to complete this season’s Premiership campaign in full,
even if it means finishing in November."We want to play every game, we
want to finish the season. It is highly probable that it will be behind closed
doors and we are working torward that as our main restart scenario,” said a
senior Premiership source. “Everyone wants to finish the season.
The clubs would rather finish it in October and November than write it off. We
would then have around a four-week break and find a way of playing a little
longer into next year.” Nine rounds of this season’s league
remain, as well as semi-finals and the final, with no formal indication of when
action will be allowed to resume. However,
contingency plans to return, possibly as early as late June, are understood to
be at an advanced stage, based on the Government relaxing social-distancing measures early next
month. There is an agreement that players will require a minimum of
four-weeks of contact training before games can resume. Testing players for Covid-19 will
also be key, although clubs want to proceed only if there is no drain on NHS
resources. If it is feasible, players would be tested before coming back into
training camp and then be quarantined in hotels ahead of a round of matches. It is likely that each round of six
matches will be played at one stadium across a weekend. Three rounds will be
played midweek to complete the league the end of August, with full squad
rotation to protect player welfare. “There is a hope that if the
Government relaxes social distancing next month, even if it is the end of the
May, it means we can bring the players back into impact training in June,” said
a Premiership source. “They will need four weeks of contact training so the
screening and testing protocols need to be in place by then. We could look at
getting started by the start of July, which means we could finish the season by
the end of August. “It is a dynamic model but the
intention is to play every game. The clubs and players want to play every game.
No one seems to be interested in awarding points for fixtures, that would be an
act of last resort. “We won’t do anything unless it is
safe, we won’t do anything that takes resources away from front-line services.
We know where we sit in the hierarchy of important things. “There is an acceptance that squads
will be rotated to ensure that the selection process is appropriate for each
player. No one in a club wants to do anything to put any athlete in harm’s way. “We could have all 12 teams in
quarantine and locked down and play six games over one weekend. It is one of a
number of quite different ideas.” The contingency plans could also lead
to a revolution in broadcasting, with host broadcaster BT Sport considering
fitting out stadiums with up to 15 remotely controlled cameras to remove the
need for film crews. With no crowds as a backdrop, it is thought that new
camera angles are being considered. Several stadiums, including
Twickenham and the Ricoh Arena, are under consideration as locations, with the
key criteria being broadband connectivity and on-site medical facilities. “One of the things that has been
worked on with BT is not having to deploy camera crews,” said a source. “They
will rig up the stadium with around 12 to 15 remote control cameras and then
run the whole production from their master control room in Stratford. It
requires a lot of broadband connectivity. Sometimes crises lead to technology
jumps. BT seem keen to make it happen.” Clubs are considering options to make
matches accessible to supporters while retaining social distancing. Leicester
are thought to be considering plans to set up a drive-in cinema-style facility
for supporters to watch games on a big screen in car parks at Welford Road. |
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dropout22 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 03 Jul 2017 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 518 |
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Proper out of the box thinking from Leicester that! |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Sensible type of article, only thing I would question is why look at holding at Twickenham?
I am assuming no crowds allowed so it would be far better to hold rounds at Premiership grounds where hiring the stadium will be much cheaper. After all who hold games with 80000 empty seats when you can hold it with 15000 empty seats? I am totally amazed at the articles suggestion. Another thing I've seen online is an article by Hugo Monye suggesting having no-contest scrums - to me that would be farcical. All games need to be televised, with normal 3 games a round on BT to satisfy contractual obligations and the other 3 on free-to-air or streaming. Edited by Raider999 - 28 Apr 2020 at 19:52 |
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Albert Fishwick ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Location: Leeds Status: Offline Points: 1062 |
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It may be because they want access to on-site hotel accommodation, this has been mooted for England cricket games. I guess this allows a degree of segregation, though if someone gets it you would think they all might.
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That's easy for you to say.
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A lot of big If's in all of these arrangements which is driven purely by financial greed by the premiership clubs. They are desperate to avoid losing television money should they fail to complete the season. There is a total disregard for the players, fans, other clubs and the wider community in these difficult times.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Whilst I agree about the money side, they are no different to the Football & Cricket - they desperately want to resume to protect the brand - fans won't be allowed so they don't come into it, in fact isn't it better to finish the season behind closed doors with.games televised or abandon the season. |
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Guinness John ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1299 |
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Unnecessary movement....stay at home .....spacial awareness..... rugby, football, horse racing......whatever sport is unnecessary. Moving large numbers of people around in close proximity makes no sense. Saving lives is what is important. Come on the organisers, this is too important to get wrong. All stop until next season has to be right.
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maire23 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 2019 Location: Nottingham Status: Online Points: 345 |
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Part of me is thinking that clubs are desperate for the money (broadcasting money I would have thought) there’s going to be a tranche of people wanting money back from clubs that are already stretched. Given that Tigers have offered up their car park to the Royal Infirmary I would love to know where they intend to put this drive in facility as Granby Halls probably isn’t big enough to accommodate it.
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Ian Wright pointed out that just because the crowds won't be there, the club's physios would be, the team doctors, the paramedics assigned to matches as would normally happen - when they're over-stretched already and desperately needed elsewhere. Just because there's no crowds wouldn't mean footballers don't stop rolling around the ground in agony every time they're tackled... Referees and linesmen. Players would still want feeding after a match for those teams that have travelled a distance to play before they make a return trip, so there may be chef and kitchen staff... Ball-boys would presumably be dispensed with and players would have to collect their own balls but the whole premise was a nonsense if these were going to be serious competitive matches.. If just one player showed signs of the virus everyone would be under close scrutiny and immediate lockdown. Alright for the paid players, but the support staff, kitchen staff, chef et al aren't getting paid for that sort of commitment if it goes pear-shaped and they have to be locked in, especially if they have family commitments.. What do you do about players spitting on the pitch? Not the nasty throat-clearing spitting, but just the minor mouth-clearing after they've been sprinting down the wing after a ball... What about those players you see from time to time using a 'Sportsmans Hankie' and emptying their nostrils out onto the pitch? (or onto their shirts if they haven't taken into account wind direction) ...and when it comes to social distancing in football every time the ref blows his whistle he has ten players pressing up against him screaming into his face in complaint... ...that at the very least has to stop.... With rugby being even more of a contact sport it's going to be a long while till anyone can safely say the game is 'Safe to Play'. Accountability. Who will be responsible if something went wrong? Their head would be on a spike outside HQ.... ....suggesting uncontested scrums from the start of a match smacks of complete desperation... ..may as well take a couple of guys off the pitch from the whistle if they do uncontested and call it rugby league...
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Guinness John ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1299 |
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7507 |
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I imagine this 'restart sport from the bottom up' suggestion from the WHO has gone down like the proverbial lead balloon in Premiership boardrooms...
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It is all down to money as they would have to pay back BT if the season ended.
Perhaps other than Sale who have the ability to potentially spring a surprise and become Champions for the 1st time in a long time. |
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Guinness John ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1299 |
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Promise,this is the last rant from me. If you have been to a sell out game at Welford Road Leicester v Saints perhaps so many people so much atmosphere. Well imagine playing it behind closed doors...not quite the same... why? imagine they were all dead, because that is what the death toll is at the moment. Don't let's fill Twickenham or maybe I should say empty. Think about your nearest and dearest and everyone else PLEASE.
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No 7 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: LONDON Status: Offline Points: 1873 |
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Well said. Brings it home the true reality of this pandemic a full Welford Road stadium of people dead ....so far.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Westcoaster ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 20 Aug 2011 Location: Jersey Status: Offline Points: 1332 |
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It is crazy that the Premiership think they can restart and complete the season.
Just consider what is happening: many have died and sadly there will be more. Thousands have lost their livelihoods and more will in the next couple of months. Rugby comes a long way down in the pecking order, headed by family, health and the national economy. No sign of the end of lockdown for another few weeks and they want to complete this season in the summer and into next season ![]() ![]() It isn't going to happen and the Prem, BT etc should move on and accept that this season has finished. Better to see what the next few months brings and start the new season in the Autumn - hopefully. If they are still trying to finish games come July and August, what happens to pre season and Championship Clubs' squad building ?? Or need I ask....... |
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maire23 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 2019 Location: Nottingham Status: Online Points: 345 |
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At the end of the day, who knows how long a vaccine will be. Granted at the moment these measures are probably prudent but I know there are those who want permanent lockdown until 2022 and beyond and this isn’t going to work.
There is already much unrest and other countries haven’t just laid down and accepted it, there has been major civil unrest in France and Italy. The government have already admitted there is concern about civil unrest here. That said I agree with the Premiership just writing their season off. As well as my Championship team I have a season ticket to a Premiership club that I have already paid for this season and am paying (for next season) a considerable amount of money for per month. I would rather the season was just shut down because it’s all getting a little bit silly now. Just get on with next season already. I’m still living in hope that next season might go ahead, albeit a little late but better late than never.
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Don’t forget that the Championship can easily reclaim 9 weeks by simply dropping the cup competition. That would mean that the start of the new season could be delayed and we would then have, pretty much, uninterrupted, meaningful rugby through until late April.... just a thought.
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There hasn't been any 'major unrest' over here in France at all. Not sure where that came from. The vast, vast majority of people have been totally compliant and in complete agreement with the lockdown. The government are planning to start easing things and reopening schools on May 11 and in a massive poll yesterday over 60% disagreed with this and thought that measures should stay in place - somewhat surprisingly to me.
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Same applies to the Premiership - it is level 3 and 4 which have little scope for a late start. |
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Even if schools are re-opened, I'm not sure attendances would be that high - only a small percentage of those eligible to attend school because of parents being in key jobs have been going - as parents would not have confidence in it being safe. Also by time schools are set to re-open it will be nearly time for Summer Holidays so why bother - re-open in September hopefully. |
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