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    Posted: 02 May 2023 at 13:09
In TRT Hogan puts in an argument for a super regional franchise called ‘The North’ alternating between home games at Sale, Falcons and Doncaster. All the players to be registered with either Sale FC, a Championship Falcons or Donny as well as the Premiership mothership.

This super region would then have the pick of three academies encompassing a vast swathe of counties. That wouldn’t do much good for Caldy and other clubs north of Leicester as the “three” would presumably be hoovering up everyone for themselves.

An interesting read, until you start thinking of the obstacles that would arise within the constituent clubs let alone those south of that “powerhouse.” *

* outmoded political term rather than one cited by Hogan.  
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I've moved this post because I think it deserves a thread to itself rather than being lost in the other threads. 
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Isn't this similar to what Ian McGeechan envisaged with the rebranding of Leeds Carnegie to Yorkshire Carnegie.  Look where that is now



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It utterly ignores three of the four Northern clubs that have pulled themselves up from the lower leagues - Caldy, Sale FC and DMP. The other being Doncaster.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It utterly ignores three of the four Northern clubs that have pulled themselves up from the lower leagues - Caldy, Sale FC and DMP. The other being Doncaster.



As someone who lives close to DMP and inside the “Hogan Triangle” I find this whole suggestion totally bizarre 
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it must be a pretty weak arguement. Without pre-empting the recent survey regarding "elite" rugby I think it fair to say supporters will not travel to home games that mean travelling from Manchester to Newcastle to watch a team with which they will have little or no affinity. 
A slow news day at TRP. 
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Originally posted by BP Youth BP Youth wrote:

it must be a pretty weak arguement. Without pre-empting the recent survey regarding "elite" rugby I think it fair to say supporters will not travel to home games that mean travelling from Manchester to Newcastle to watch a team with which they will have little or no affinity. 
A slow news day at TRP. 

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I think your right. The TRP was simply filling space with an embarrassing  article which, in truth, would be as popular and workable as McGeechan's appalling idea of 'Yorkshire Carnegie'.
I dont know why the Yorkshire clubs don't get behind Doncaster and support a push into the Premiership. Of course, this wouldn't be popular at Twickers who would only want a Yorkshire club based in Leeds. Donny is about as acceptable to the Blazers as Rotherham was many years ago.
The North is a 'proud' region, not a Club. It would never work.
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by BP Youth BP Youth wrote:

it must be a pretty weak arguement. Without pre-empting the recent survey regarding "elite" rugby I think it fair to say supporters will not travel to home games that mean travelling from Manchester to Newcastle to watch a team with which they will have little or no affinity. 
A slow news day at TRP. 

Welcome back BP Youth.
I think your right. The TRP was simply filling space with an embarrassing  article which, in truth, would be as popular and workable as McGeechan's appalling idea of 'Yorkshire Carnegie'.
I dont know why the Yorkshire clubs don't get behind Doncaster and support a push into the Premiership. Of course, this wouldn't be popular at Twickers who would only want a Yorkshire club based in Leeds. Donny is about as acceptable to the Blazers as Rotherham was many years ago.
The North is a 'proud' region, not a Club. It would never work.
Rugby League & Soccer will always be ahead of Union in Yorkshire south of the Humber. If the RFU want another premiership team above the Midlands the obvious choice is DMP which would draw support from North Yorkshire and Durham.
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Couple of issues with that 

1/ Simon Orange came out last night and said "no chance" on twitter to the TRP reports

2/ DMP cannot finish out of the bottom third of Nat 1

3/ Newcastle being down the road, have enough trouble in the Prem and DMP would be far to close to split the player pool

 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

Originally posted by BP Youth BP Youth wrote:

it must be a pretty weak arguement. Without pre-empting the recent survey regarding "elite" rugby I think it fair to say supporters will not travel to home games that mean travelling from Manchester to Newcastle to watch a team with which they will have little or no affinity. 
A slow news day at TRP. 

Welcome back BP Youth.
I think your right. The TRP was simply filling space with an embarrassing  article which, in truth, would be as popular and workable as McGeechan's appalling idea of 'Yorkshire Carnegie'.
I dont know why the Yorkshire clubs don't get behind Doncaster and support a push into the Premiership. Of course, this wouldn't be popular at Twickers who would only want a Yorkshire club based in Leeds. Donny is about as acceptable to the Blazers as Rotherham was many years ago.
The North is a 'proud' region, not a Club. It would never work.
Rugby League & Soccer will always be ahead of Union in Yorkshire south of the Humber. If the RFU want another premiership team above the Midlands the obvious choice is DMP which would draw support from North Yorkshire and Durham.

As spectator sports probably. 

But, to be fair to the RFU and the dreamers everywhere, the temptation is in the weird inversion that exists where Union is ahead of League in Yorkshire south of the Humber as a *participation* sport.

There are vastly more union clubs and players than league clubs and players, even along the M62 BUT this doesn't translate into gates. 

But you can see why people keep trying - on paper it makes sense. Of course, the game isn't played on paper...
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Are we sure the piece was not a month late?
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This may be a bit pedantic but if we are discussing this lets get our geography right. The only county immediately south of the Humber is Lincolnshire which has no RL clubs at all and no National League RU clubs.
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The town with a rude word did make an appearance.
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"The North". Sounds rather boring doesn't it? Plus isn't this more or less admits that Union is mostly giving up on converting the rl heathens and just going with one club to consolidate?
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Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

This may be a bit pedantic but if we are discussing this lets get our geography right. The only county immediately south of the Humber is Lincolnshire which has no RL clubs at all and no National League RU clubs.
I wonder how far is the Lincolnshire border from Doncaster?
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

This may be a bit pedantic but if we are discussing this lets get our geography right. The only county immediately south of the Humber is Lincolnshire which has no RL clubs at all and no National League RU clubs.
I wonder how far is the Lincolnshire border from Doncaster?

Never mind how far the border is from Doncaster, Lincs has a border with Northants!
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Isn’t Mick Horgan more interested in his role as a Rugby League administrator than a Rugby Union administrator?
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

This may be a bit pedantic but if we are discussing this lets get our geography right. The only county immediately south of the Humber is Lincolnshire which has no RL clubs at all and no National League RU clubs.
I wonder how far is the Lincolnshire border from Doncaster?

16 miles m8
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It utterly ignores three of the four Northern clubs that have pulled themselves up from the lower leagues - Caldy, Sale FC and DMP. The other being Doncaster.


It depends what you mean by "pulled themselves up"   Are we talking league position or financial stability?

DMP took a big gamble, sold the family silver in the attempt to create a rugby force - Fair play to them. 2 promotions in over 15 years and now a team frequently fighting relegation. Seeing the money and strength in Nat 1, it will take another big cash injection for them to reach the Champ, but where will that come from.
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