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    Posted: 31 May 2022 at 22:31
Here it is the climax to the Premiership at the top you have…

Gloucester are fighting it out to try and make top 4 and the play offs but need to face Saracens who are trying to get top spot

Leicester are top but play Wasps who have a remote chance of Top 6

Exeter (at Quins) and Sale (at Bristol) are also trying to make the Top 6

Saints v Newcastle - one trying to stay in the top 4 and the other having an outside chance of coming bottom.

Then Worcester v Bath, the big winner takes all with the loser getting… oh wait it’s just a dead rubber which would have been a sell out and now have virtually no one turning up at present.


What a weekend it could have been, every game had something in it. Now only one that doesn’t!
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No one wants to see what happened to London Welsh repeated, but a playoff between Wuss/Barf and Ealing would have had everyone interested.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No one wants to see what happened to London Welsh repeated, but a playoff between Wuss/Barf and Ealing would have had everyone interested.

Everyone says that they don't want to see London Welsh repeated, but if they don't, then the easiest way around that is to not force teams to move to football grounds where they lose a big chunk of their revenue. Both of Wus/Bath deserve to be relegated.

In all honesty, I really hate the idea of a promotion/relegation playoff. Neither team will be able to recruit correctly, and are therefore much more likely to yo-yo back down. The argument that you needed to be rid of the playoffs in the Championship had some merit (although I didn't like it at the time), as it allows teams to start recruiting earlier.
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Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No one wants to see what happened to London Welsh repeated, but a playoff between Wuss/Barf and Ealing would have had everyone interested.
Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of our play-off win over Pirates at the Kassam.  In that first year in the Premiership we won five games, had five points deducted and still finished on 23 points, 10 points behind Worcester, who had won the same number of games.  But nobody remembers how well we did that year because it's overshadowed by what happened two years later and the subsequent fallout from that season.

But the most important thing is that every other ambitious club in the country has (hopefully) learned from our mistakes, and those clubs should never be penalised for our stupidity.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by tigerburnie tigerburnie wrote:

No one wants to see what happened to London Welsh repeated, but a playoff between Wuss/Barf and Ealing would have had everyone interested.
Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of our play-off win over Pirates at the Kassam.  In that first year in the Premiership we won five games, had five points deducted and still finished on 23 points, 10 points behind Worcester, who had won the same number of games.  But nobody remembers how well we did that year because it's overshadowed by what happened two years later and the subsequent fallout from that season.

But the most important thing is that every other ambitious club in the country has (hopefully) learned from our mistakes, and those clubs should never be penalised for our stupidity.

As someone who went to every home game at the Kassam that season (actually I went to most home games probably for all three seasons - helpful that they were mostly on Sundays*), it still feels that LW were shafted by the points deduction, that was where the tails went down. Although, I'm pretty sure that the last game of the season was against Worcester, who LW beat, despite having already been relegated? Or did I dream that?

Anyway, LW should be well proud of the 12/13 season, and the 13/14*. I remember the hope and expectation at the beginning of 15/16, but then they got tonked in the first game, then I went to Bath away the next week (the sun was shining and I didn't fancy Mose's opposition so went to a rare Saturday LW match) and they got tonked again. It was clear right at the start of the season that it was hopeless.

*I lived in Oxford at the time, so premiership rugby on the doorstep was a temptation



Lyn Jones worked a number of miracles that season, he just couldn't quite work enough. Gordon Ross was immense too.


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The other thing they could do is pay the promoted club the same as the others, not pay the relegated club and remove the need to buy the P-Shares by replacing the current company by one limited by guarantee, so the shares have a nominal value.

But they don't - and while their actions are not quite that of a cartel, which would be illegal, to a non-lawyer, it looks very close.
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What has this thread got to do with the Championship?
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

What has this thread got to do with the Championship?
Not a lot to chat about on this forum Old Nick so I think we need to be flexible. 
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

What has this thread got to do with the Championship?

lack of promotion and relegation?
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Originally posted by tulip tulip wrote:

Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

What has this thread got to do with the Championship?
Not a lot to chat about on this forum Old Nick so I think we need to be flexible. 

Clubhouse chat is nice and flexible.
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Originally posted by billesleyexile billesleyexile wrote:

Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

What has this thread got to do with the Championship?

lack of promotion and relegation?
I think billesleyexile has answered your question OldNick
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...and the Telegraph today ran an article with the head of PRL, who said that they do intend to promote a team to get to 14 next year. Behind a paywall.
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They'll pluck one then pull up the drawbridge. Just watch.
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Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

What has this thread got to do with the Championship?

It’s to do with whether there is movement to & fro between the Championship & the league above. This is of interest to many Championship followers, quite a few of whom (including you, ON) have commented on quite similar issues in the rival thread ‘Promoting the Championship’… 
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

...and the Telegraph today ran an article with the head of PRL, who said that they do intend to promote a team to get to 14 next year. Behind a paywall.

Premiership relegation to return at end of 2023-24 season, league chief confirms
Simon Massie-Taylor also says it is 'a miracle' clubs survived Covid disruption, while ring-fencing has had no impact on interest levels

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Premiership relegation to return at end of 2023-24 season, league chief confirms
Simon Massie-Taylor says the league will be expanded to 14 teams after next season CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
Premiership Rugby bosses have confirmed that they have no intention of permanently pulling up the drawbridge from the Championship despite Ealing’s failure to pass the minimum standards criteria.

After passing a moratorium on relegation last summer following Saracens’ promotion to the Premiership, Championship winners Ealing were denied a place in the top flight after their ground failed to meet the minimum capacity requirement. 

However, Premiership Rugby chief executive Simon Massie-Taylor insists the plan remains for the league to be expanded to 14 teams after next season. Promotion and relegation would then resume at the end of the 2023-24 campaign via a play-off between the Premiership’s bottom side and the Championship winners. 

“The intention was that we were moving to a 14-team league so it was disappointing that Ealing didn't pass the standards and come up,” Massie-Taylor said. “The expectation is that there'll be promotion next season then the agreement is promotion, and relegation after that. That was what was agreed by the RFU council.

“It is still the intention to have relegation going forward after this moratorium that was really important from a Covid recovery perspective. It was the right decision in order to preserve the 13 clubs that have existed within the Premiership. It's a miracle that they've survived after what has gone on over the last few years.”

Massie-Taylor also says that ring-fencing has had “no material difference” on interest levels in the Premiership.

Heading into the final round of regular season fixtures, Worcester v Bath could have been billed as a blockbuster relegation shootout. Instead it is a dead rubber that the league’s bottom clubs unsuccessfully attempted to bring forward so they could start their holidays earlier.

“Audience figures are up this year generally,” Massie-Taylor said. “We've specifically looked at matches that don't necessarily have the jeopardy that they may have had if they were in that relegation zone and there isn't a material difference there.”
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Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

...and the Telegraph today ran an article with the head of PRL, who said that they do intend to promote a team to get to 14 next year. Behind a paywall.


“Audience figures are up this year generally,” Massie-Taylor said. “We've specifically looked at matches that don't necessarily have the jeopardy that they may have had if they were in that relegation zone and there isn't a material difference there.”

Audience figures up this year? Do they mean attendance, compared to last year when no one was allowed in stadia? I can't believe that the number of eyes per week on rugby are up based on TV figures, especially as many fewer games have been shown on TV. I'd be surprised if Worcester vs. Bath gets 5000 attendees.
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I think Leicester's upturn in form has probably helped; London Irish are doing very nicely at Brentford; and Quins have taken two games to Twickenham, while Sarries had one at Tottenham's new ground a few weeks back.
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

...and the Telegraph today ran an article with the head of PRL, who said that they do intend to promote a team to get to 14 next year. Behind a paywall.


“Audience figures are up this year generally,” Massie-Taylor said. “We've specifically looked at matches that don't necessarily have the jeopardy that they may have had if they were in that relegation zone and there isn't a material difference there.”

Audience figures up this year? Do they mean attendance, compared to last year when no one was allowed in stadia? I can't believe that the number of eyes per week on rugby are up based on TV figures, especially as many fewer games have been shown on TV. I'd be surprised if Worcester vs. Bath gets 5000 attendees.
You can’t believe that viewing figures are up despite more games being on itv/channel 4 than previous years? The Sale/Leicester game had close to a million viewers. 1 game drew about 5 times the standard viewing figures. That audience rising, I’d assume, also includes the amount of people watching highlights on YouTube. The number of fans at stadiums is down about 200,000 over the season compared to the last full season, although that doesn’t take into account of the last game of the season yet to take place or the covid cancellations that took place. So even then, the statement that the figures are up is probably true. 
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Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

...and the Telegraph today ran an article with the head of PRL, who said that they do intend to promote a team to get to 14 next year. Behind a paywall.


“Audience figures are up this year generally,” Massie-Taylor said. “We've specifically looked at matches that don't necessarily have the jeopardy that they may have had if they were in that relegation zone and there isn't a material difference there.”

Your point about showing games on terrestrial TV is a good one.
 

Audience figures up this year? Do they mean attendance, compared to last year when no one was allowed in stadia? I can't believe that the number of eyes per week on rugby are up based on TV figures, especially as many fewer games have been shown on TV. I'd be surprised if Worcester vs. Bath gets 5000 attendees.
You can’t believe that viewing figures are up despite more games being on itv/channel 4 than previous years? The Sale/Leicester game had close to a million viewers. 1 game drew about 5 times the standard viewing figures. That audience rising, I’d assume, also includes the amount of people watching highlights on YouTube. The number of fans at stadiums is down about 200,000 over the season compared to the last full season, although that doesn’t take into account of the last game of the season yet to take place or the covid cancellations that took place. So even then, the statement that the figures are up is probably true. 
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It was the right decision in order to preserve the 13 clubs that have existed within the Premiership. It's a miracle that they've survived after what has gone on over the last few years.”
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and (as usual) stuff all those below the top table who suffered as least at much, with level 2 crippled by mandatory testing and no crowds and level 3 and below losing a full 18 months of fixtures...
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