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    Posted: 06 Mar 2022 at 00:33
The regulations helpfully say, "the top two Clubs in each Level 5 League will be promoted to Level 4 or such other number as notified by the Committee in order to effect the league sizes set out in Regulation 13.2.4"

Which is not a lot of help.

I suspect it will turn out to be 10 up across the four leagues, with best playing record selecting the two third place teams.

So I believe Old Redcliffians are in pole on 89 points, with Hertford on 81 in second, though only on wins from Blackburn, with Syston training on 77 points, but remember Foinavon.

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Is number of wins the tie-breaker or number of losses? Or is that the third decider?

Very confusing and LSE will go to the last day of the season.
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Best Playing Record is defined in Regulation 1, Definitions.

Its League points, then most wins, most draws, and higher points difference.

If that does not split  the sides, then ignore the first match of the season.
In all cases, averaged by the number of matches - but that should not be an issue this year.
A walkover counts as a win, but is ignored when calculation points difference per match.

Within a league points total is counts after points difference, but not between leagues.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Best Playing Record is defined in Regulation 1, Definitions.

Its League points, then most wins, most draws, and higher points difference.

If that does not split  the sides, then ignore the first match of the season.
In all cases, averaged by the number of matches - but that should not be an issue this year.
A walkover counts as a win, but is ignored when calculation points difference per match.

Within a league points total is counts after points difference, but not between leagues.

Now that CS Stags have effectively been removed from the league and all points associated with their games declared null and void. These wins would not count.
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That means we will be looking at points per game, etc.

It is a pity as Civil Service were a founding member of the RFU. They were also founding members of the FA, but the members split, with one section adopting Association laws and the other, Stags, sticking to Rugby Laws. The Association section is the only remaining founder member of the FA. 
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Yes, shame about CS Stags if they are withdrawing (or bring withdrawn). Never nice to see that.

I see none of the top 4 still had to play CS, so is it right that the standings wouldn't be affected by their results being expunged?
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Does anyone know if there any investigations underway of club/s in London Prem ? 
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Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

Does anyone know if there any investigations underway of club/s in London Prem ? 

In what way?
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If CS are exited, how are the 2 3rd place promotions spots decided? Given 10 sides are promoted from level 5. Dorking have the biggest impact on their points difference. 142 vs 7 in two games. What an administration headache. My view. Leave CS alone this season. Let them regather.
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Originally posted by SurreyRugby SurreyRugby wrote:

If CS are exited, how are the 2 3rd place promotions spots decided? Given 10 sides are promoted from level 5. Dorking have the biggest impact on their points difference. 142 vs 7 in two games. What an administration headache. My view. Leave CS alone this season. Let them regather.

My view. Let the teams decide. CS want to go down a league anyway so let that happen next season. A withdrawal bumps them down to Level 10 and that’s not a good outcome.
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Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

Does anyone know if there any investigations underway of club/s in London Prem ? 

Aside of Civil Service getting kicked out? What kind do you mean? 
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Originally posted by SurreyRugby SurreyRugby wrote:

If CS are exited, how are the 2 3rd place promotions spots decided? Given 10 sides are promoted from level 5. Dorking have the biggest impact on their points difference. 142 vs 7 in two games. What an administration headache. My view. Leave CS alone this season. Let them regather.

If Civil Service get ejected, then results against them are wiped as if they never happened.

I can't see how they can regather as they have no youth section, only 1 team in a fiercely competitive rugby area, no ownership of their ground and (what I presume is) little backing from the Civil Service.


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Doom and gloom has  been on the cards all season for CS and it comes as no surprise to us all  that they will get binned from this league
It obviously  looks like we wont have had a chance to play them at all this season!! 
our game against them in a few weeks is our last home game of the season and the presidents lunch which both combined  normally sees 800 or more people pack Hooks Lane, much needed revenue for us ....more than probably now flushed  down the pan!
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It is normally about now deducted points start to appear for falling foul of rules. I believe that two clubs in the leagues are being investigated but for what, I do not know. 
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Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

It is normally about now deducted points start to appear for falling foul of rules. I believe that two clubs in the leagues are being investigated but for what, I do not know. 

Which two clubs?.....you cant say that, then not tell us🙄
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Presumably, one would be Old Albanians, as they have got a 5 point deduction.

If CS Stags withdraw, the games they played are null and void.
The ranking of the third place teams is on a points per game basis.

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Hertford would now be on 71 points from 19 games of 3.74 points per game.
Blackburn would be on 81/21 = 3.86 points per game.

However, according to their website, Stags are intending to play next week - and to pay tribute to Stevie Fuller in a buffet after the match.

If CS Stags complete the season, albeit with a number of walkovers, Hertford keeps the points and wins. But the walk-over is not counted if the calculation needs to go to points difference per game.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Presumably, one would be Old Albanians, as they have got a 5 point deduction.

If CS Stags withdraw, the games they played are null and void.
The ranking of the third place teams is on a points per game basis.

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Hertford would now be on 71 points from 19 games of 3.74 points per game.
Blackburn would be on 81/21 = 3.86 points per game.

However, according to their website, Stags are intending to play next week - and to pay tribute to Stevie Fuller in a buffet after the match.

If CS Stags complete the season, albeit with a number of walkovers, Hertford keeps the points and wins. But the walk-over is not counted if the calculation needs to go to points difference per game.

That's the problem, Civil Service don't seem to have a choice about withdrawing. The RFU (or LSE RFU) are kicking them out unless they appeal by Friday apparently
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Originally posted by HAVANT TONY HAVANT TONY wrote:

Originally posted by Clueless like most Clueless like most wrote:

It is normally about now deducted points start to appear for falling foul of rules. I believe that two clubs in the leagues are being investigated but for what, I do not know. 

Which two clubs?.....you cant say that, then not tell us🙄
. G'day no idea mate l, strewth you'd have to be a bit of a galah for that 

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I obviously have not been following closely, but they have forfeited a lot of games - so something is obviously wrong.

Presumably, there would be nothing stopping the Stags fixtures going ahead as a friendly, with the host club potentially lending them players to get a game.
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