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The Blues ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Status: Offline Points: 4856 |
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You have to laugh at the comment about the huge funding difference making it hard in a play off match without the money! Incredible how when clubs are in the Premiership they don’t see an issue but when they are they see the massive unfairness.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1535 |
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Hypocrisy, thy name is Wasps. Though, I note they title their statement "Our exit from the Rugby Football Union" so are they completely leaving or did they mean to say Premiership/Championship? If its the former, I think it makes it clear that it appears they are going to do a London Welsh and take over Wasps FC as the main club to avoid starting at the bottom.
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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And have they asked Wasps FC? I know some people think what LW did was heinous and not in the spirit of taking their punishment but it's a completely different situation. Aside from the legal separation, LW was always an 'all of one club' operation - where the weekly email to supporters covered the doings of the Occies, Dragons, Druids, M&Js just as much as the 1st XV. Until the three year Oxford 'adventure' they were all playing out of the same clubhouse and on the same pitch. Even during the sojourn in Oxford it was pretty much the same faces at all the matches of all the sides, and on the committees in the clubhouse. So, when LW 1st XV imploded they did go 'home' to lick their wounds and tbh it made complete sense for the operation to just make the amateurs the first XV and go again - there was no real sense of them being separate clubs anyway, except legally - and that legal separation in hindsight was a great move. Wasps, on the other hand, have really nothing AIUI more than the most vestigial links with the amateur set-up and those are links of sentiment, rather than because there's any training or anything like that going on at Twyford Avenue. So it really would be a cynical takeover of another club, and more importantly a takeover that said club would have to be on board with, as they're perfectly entitled to say no. FWIW the general temperature from Wasps supporting friends is that Wasps FC are quite happy as they are and wouldn't go for it (see also Worcester FC). LW on the other hand were a real genuine family of clubs - not clubs that happened to share a name and somehow both claim the same history.
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Beautifully put, BE!
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*Stalwart ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 15 Oct 2022 Location: Penzance Status: Offline Points: 329 |
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The bit about equitable funding and the horrors of ring fencing is priceless!
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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isn't it just?
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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I could have boiled it down to: LW = 'bad luck boys, welcome back to ODP, been a shame waving you off to matches every week for the last three years, and it was always a bit silly, but you're us and we're you - we're all back where we belong and we'll work something out' Wasps = 'oh, we've gone bust, where's the telephone?- hello, Wasps FC? Thirty years ago we used to be you, so we want your league place, thanks in advance'
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corporalcarrot ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Sep 2013 Location: St Brelade Status: Offline Points: 4724 |
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Great summary mate. The only critical point missing imo is that LW only went to Oxford to comply with the RFU's daft ground standards which no one wants and no one can afford. LW would probably have struggled in the premiership anyway but the move to Oxford was the likely major cause of the financial mess. LW could have had a season in the premiership and rejoined level two the following year. The core issue keeps coming back to the RFU's adherence to standards which have nowt to do with safety but everything to do with ring fencing the premiership.
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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billesleyexile ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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I know whereof I speak - huge soft spot for LW. Grew up a Moseley fan, moved away, drifted away from rugby. LW pitching up in Oxford got me back into watching rugby regularly again, and helped me find my way back to Moseley where I belong. I think I've said before on here that I'd never been to Mose since the Reddings, and then went to Mose away with LW, in the Championship season between the two premiership ones, and I walked into the clubhouse on the Common, saw the pictures on the walls, the Internationals board, the cartoon of Sam Doble in his record breaking points year, and a thought hit me like a Proustian train - 'Oh god, I'm supporting the wrong side.' Prodigal son stuff. So I received those LW weekly emails for three years!
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Raider999 ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4455 |
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Not sure Wasps will be able to skip a few levels by taking over Wasps FC (assuming they are different clubs) as Worcester were told they couldn't takeover Stourbridge. But then it is Wasps so anything might happen |
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Online Points: 6575 |
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You don't have to formally take them over, just pump money into them to buy better players etc.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1535 |
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It won't even have to be be a formal takeover like Stourbridge/Worcester. Indeed all the London Welsh currently in Regional 1 South Central did was request they be allowed to play under the London Welsh name rather than London Welsh Amateur. Wasps FC don't even have to do that (unless they want to have their wasp the wrong way round!)
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WEvans ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1456 |
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That statement makes it so sad to see the back of Wasps doesn't it?
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No, sorry, it's the way of the world. It just happens to be a Premiership club.
So many clubs have gone to the wall and the RFU seem to have given Wasps some time to get their house in order. If they'd been sent to Level 10 immediately, then alternative proposals across the Leven 3-10 leagues could have been made for a 12 team Championship. |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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I don't know why you've got such an issue with what happened at London Welsh. The Amateurs were already playing at L9, and they were very much a part of the club, the same at the Women, Occies, M&J - we truly are one big happy family. So when the pro team went out of existence, the Amateurs became the most senior team within the club, and effectively inherited the mantle of '1st XV'. That meant we rebuilt from L9 - one level higher than the bottom of the pyramid. The way you bang on about it, you'd think we'd taken over a L5 team and moved them into ODP just to save ourselves five years of travelling around public parks with dog mess for goalposts.
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Camquin ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11284 |
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Probably because when Richmond and London Scottish were in the top division, their amateur teams were restricted to merit leagues. So, even though their amateurs possibly were at a higher standard, they restarted at level 10. I only went to ODP once, and the facilities were fine. Yes the main clubhouse is a way away from the pitch, I assume due to the cricket square, but there were food and drink outlets, and toilets by the main stand. The welcome on the pitch was not that friendly - it was a no quarter asked or given cup tie - but off the pitch it was fine.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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ParkBench ![]() British and Irish Lion ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Oct 2013 Location: Richmond Status: Offline Points: 152 |
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Speaking as an outsider - LW has always come across as one club. Other clubs spout that as a mantra all the time but don’t mean it. Their renaissance has been exemplary. On the subject of ODP I’d like to string up the Park committee that thought it best to leave there in 1956 to leasing a single pitch from a golf club. If nothing else it shows that terrible decisions are nothing new in rugby club governance.
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Robb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1535 |
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It's not an issue with them at all, its just the example I use of what can happen when a pro side goes bust and their amateur arm (that for RFU purposes is a legally separate club) is already playing at a reasonable standard so they avoid starting at the bottom.
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Richard Lowther ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Online Points: 6575 |
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The merry go round of London club grounds. Roehampton (I always think Tennis, rather than Golf) was described as the "finest ground in London" when you moved, so you were up scaling, where as London Welsh were expanding from one pitch at Herne Hill to two at ODP. |
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Dont kick it. Pick it up and GO FORWARD.
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