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Westcoaster 
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 Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 18:42 |
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On the evidence today of many of the forwards v France, many Championship sides should be relishing their games against Saracens next season. One dimensional, slow ball, same old attack off the back of every attacking scrum. Yawn, yawn.......
Thank goodness for Johnny May
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Pappashanga
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Posted: 02 Feb 2020 at 19:15 |
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And lots of kicks which achieved nothing but give the ball away.
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fatbear
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Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 13:10 |
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Camquin
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Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 13:15 |
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That might repreive Glasgow = though it may merely change who loses in Dublin.
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gerg_861
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Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 13:38 |
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Poor Titi Lamositele. If Saracens were responsible for this and then messed it up, he could find himself barred from future work permits as well for overstaying and working - government policy and enforcement being particularly harsh nowadays.
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Camquin
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Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 14:56 |
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It looks like he played against Quins the next week. This may rumble on.
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Baggins
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Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 11:48 |
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Probably had his work permit back in place by then as he is still contracted and playing for Sarries as he has done for years. Any way, no advantage sought, administrative oversight, €40k+ fine and half deferred to be cancelled if no repeat. Seems about right
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Propping up the board
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Raider999
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Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 13:15 |
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On its own, perhaps - but on top of everything else I'm surprised the Europeans haven't hammered them. Worth noting that there is an appeal and Racing 92 are not happy (no comment from Glasgow who would also benefit) According to the telegraph, the RFU found out ahead of the Quins game, informed Saracens who took 11 days to inform EPCR. |
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Toulouse
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Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 11:13 |
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Racing 92 have a nerve. They were fined 80,000 euros for breaching the salary cap in 2018-19 season, no points reduction or relegation....when a club can afford to pay a kiwi 1.4 million euros per season out of a budget of 11.3 million euros it is impossible to stick within the budget.
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Camquin
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Posted: 12 Feb 2020 at 17:50 |
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From the FT Allianz scraps Saracens sponsorship New blow to English and European rugby champions as fallout from financial scandal spreads Allianz is scrapping its sponsorship deal with Saracens after the rugby team was relegated for persistent breaches of the sport’s salary cap rules in the latest blow to the English and European club champions. The German insurance group has been Saracens’ principal sponsor since 2012, with its contract due to end in 2021. But Allianz executives have decided to end the deal a year early, following a cheating scandal that has rocked the game, according to several people familiar with the decision. One of the people said the deal was worth £2m a year to Saracens. The sponsorship had been a boon for Allianz’s goal of building its brand by being associated with leading sports groups, with Saracens winning the Premiership four times and the European Champions Cup three times during the course of their deal. In November, the club was fined £5.4m and docked 35 points after a series of co-investments that its owner and former chairman Nigel Wray, the property magnate, made with high-profile players were found to have breached regulations that limit payments to players. In January, Saracens apologised “unreservedly” for continued salary cap breaches and agreed to the unprecedented punishment of relegation from Premiership Rugby, the top tier of English club rugby union. Those revelations over recent weeks led to tension between the two parties. Allianz responded by saying it is a company that acts “with transparency and integrity” and that it would hold talks with Saracens “to confirm this shared understanding and commitment going forward”. Last week, Allianz informed Saracens it would abandon the sponsorship, according to people with knowledge of the talks who requested anonymity because the decision has yet to be announced. The club is trying to keep Allianz on board but has already started the search for a new sponsor, according to others informed of the discussions. Allianz and Saracens declined to comment. Allianz has poured money into sports sponsorship around the world in recent years. Stadiums have been the biggest target of its multimillion euro marketing budget, viewing naming rights as a good way to keep the brand in the news regularly. There are Allianz-branded venues in Munich, Turin, Nice, Vienna, Minnesota and S£o Paulo. The insurer also has naming rights to Allianz Park in North London, where Saracens play their home matches. It is not clear whether the insurer will retain that stadium naming deal even after it pulls its sponsorship contract with the rugby club. The move will be a further financial blow for Saracens, with uncertainty over which star players will stay at the club next season and income already set to be hit due to relegation. According to Companies House records, Saracens had pre-tax losses of £3.9m in the year ended June 30 2018, widening from a £2.8m loss a year earlier. Revenues remained largely flat at £17.9m. |
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Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 17:21 |
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Allianz press release says end of stadium sponsorship
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Pappashanga
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Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 17:30 |
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The Allianz Athletic Ground has a nice ring to it...
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Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 18:45 |
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A query about Saracens, funding etc.
I thought by Premiership rules all clubs, to gain promotion to the Premiership have to prove they have operated within the salary cap for the previous 2 seasons. Given Saracens have breached, as I understand, the cap for this 19/20 season, does it not mean they will remain in the Championship for seasons 20/21 and 21/22 unless of course they are relegated or the Premiership change their own rules to readmit them after 1 year, assuming they win the league next year. Assuming also my understandings are right and given the negative comments from a lot of Premiership clubs concerning the Saracens salary cap breach I am not sure they will be too willing to change the rules to admit Saracens back to the top tier. The way I see it Saracens too will have to survive for at least 1 season without the Premiership parachute payment and the significantly reduced Championship funding. Not sure how they will keep any senior players beyond next season. |
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OldNick
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Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 19:10 |
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Sadly, false news, debunked a couple of weeks ago.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2020 at 19:52 |
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Oh, that's a shame.
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 13:46 |
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I have just finished reading Owen Slot's article in the Times. It is about the 2021/ 2022 season . To quote the article .
They will have to win promotion from the Championship. Let's take that as a given. Not one mention of any aspiring team from the Championship ! I can undertand this attitude from rugby's writer of the year given the dominance of the Newcastle Falcons. I believe the gap is wider than ever before. The Saracens visit to the Championship and immediate return may not be the 'given ' most people believe.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Pappashanga
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 13:53 |
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Any team with a million pounds more than everyone else to spend would have to be extremely badly run not to beat all the others. I have seen no indication that the rugby side of Saracens is anything other than excellent.
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gerg_861
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 14:44 |
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I do wonder if maybe they aren't being a bit lax in letting so many of their best players go on loan. Falcons retained much of their team with the exception of Mark Wilson, and they've needed their first string in quite a number of games. The Newcastle team that ran out against Ealing was as good as any that I've seen.
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Pappashanga
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 15:25 |
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Saracens are a lot better than Newcastle. Newcastle were bottom because they last a lot of games. Saracens are bottom because of financial chicanery.
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Raider999
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Posted: 17 Mar 2020 at 16:25 |
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The sides that Saracens put out in international weeks (when they are missing virtually their whole first XV) will be far too good for all the championship sides without exception. The only chance of a more level playing field would be for championship sides to introduce a budget which all sides, including Saracens, would have to adhere to - funny that we haven't heard anything of this since it was originally suggested. |
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