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castleparknight
World Cup Winner Joined: 07 Jun 2012 Location: Doncaster Status: Offline Points: 2979 |
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Ring Fencing cannot take place this season, as it has to be agreed before the season has begun.
I suspect most clubs in the Prem have one or two dodgy deals tucked away somewhere......
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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One For The Ditch
British and Irish Lion Joined: 13 Jul 2018 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 231 |
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Take a ferret around The Companies House site and then check out the
property values of the registered addresses. Good to see that some of
the boys have done well for themselves.
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Westcoaster
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Calm down , the points deduction is only suspended, so unlikely to be enforced....
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Come on Jersey........
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3649 |
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One of the articles I read suggested that, as the review has been carried out by a third party and they have listened to and carefully considered all of the evidence from Saracens before reaching their conclusions, the likelihood of an appeal succeeding is fairly remote. They would need to prove that the process followed and/or conclusions reached were fundamentally flawed.
[Edit] Here you go: "Saracens only have the right to seek a review by a new panel, which can only overturn the punishment if it finds there has been a procedural error or the decision was disproportionate or unfair. Given that the panel was chaired by Lord Dyson, a former Justice of the Supreme Court, a legal expert told Telegraph Sport that their chances of success are small." Edited by Mark W-J - 06 Nov 2019 at 09:35 |
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Insignificant Tick
World Cup Winner Joined: 06 Jul 2012 Status: Offline Points: 924 |
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Law of the Land v PR rules and regs.
PR regs infringe human rights or some such other law, European or otherwise and the law of the land will win every time regardless of what PR say.So Sarries will be found to have not broken any law but be in breach of PR regulations which dont count so Sarries win as points deduction and fine will be unlawful.
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dropout22
World Cup Winner Joined: 03 Jul 2017 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 516 |
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Plain and simply through a Backer. In both their cases the academies are in great state. In regards to the salary cap, the clubs can avoid hitting the ceiling by using the 2 allocated Excluded player slots or by promoting via their academy where they can write off £30,000 of the players salaries should they join the club before their 18th birthday. The Saracens ruling has been appealed so at this stage they're not on -26 points.
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3649 |
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I get your point, but it'll have to go through a lot of stages - and an awful lot more than £5.36m in legal fees - before that conclusion is reached. And if it's that simplistic, why haven't the Championship clubs - or indeed, all of the clubs outside of the top flight - brought a case for restraint of trade against Premiership Rugby? [Edit] Also found this: "Under the Regulations, Saracens Rugby Club has the ability to seek a review of the decision by an arbitration body. The review can only be on the basis that there has been an error of law, the decision is irrational or that there has been some procedural unfairness. In the event that Saracens Rugby Club seeks a review, the sanctions will be suspended pending the outcome of that review." And as Saracens presumably signed-up to the T&Cs as part of their ongoing agreement with Premiership Rugby, they might find it hard to argue that the rules and regulations don't apply to them. Or am I just being woefully optimistic..?
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OldNick
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3414 |
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Not so, it was applied yesterday. |
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Rob C
British and Irish Lion Joined: 26 Apr 2017 Location: Coventry Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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Saracens are on 9 points with an * |
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OldNick
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That’s an update from yesterday then Rob. Must be since they’ve appealed.
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Rob C
British and Irish Lion Joined: 26 Apr 2017 Location: Coventry Status: Offline Points: 192 |
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From this morning Nick - as you say, pending the outcome of the appeal.
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dunc999
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I think a lot of the good Saracens have done has been lost in this episode. I'm no fan, but the way they have brought players through their academy and developed to full internationals is very impressive.
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Raider999
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4434 |
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No it has been suspended because Saracens are appealing - word has it they are likely to be unsuccessful and it will be re-instated. |
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RAID ON
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tigerburnie
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Quinns and Exeter seem to be putting the boot in, Murphy at Tigers calling for a league wide review of club accounts. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50314599
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tulip
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I think there should be a salary cap for overseas players Piuatau getting £1 million is crazy.
But for players coming through academies they should get paid what they are worth. Unfortunately when you pay Piuatu £1 million, Farrell and Vunipola bros will want likewise. |
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One For The Ditch
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It would be like reading Horror Comics with one, may be two, exceptions
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Raider999
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Personally, I would allow teams to spend their salary cap how they want - but I would not allow 'marquee players' who's salary is outside the cap. |
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RAID ON
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Exiled_Scots
World Cup Winner London Scottish Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2588 |
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Not sure how accurate this is but Sonny Williams is allegedly getting 2 and a half million for two seasons with Toronto in rugby league. Makes the Piiatu Deal pale into insignificance as an ex All Black. |
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Watch Out - The Scottish Phoenix Club is on the Up!!
Seven down one to go |
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Deva Delinquent
World Cup Winner Joined: 24 May 2017 Location: Chester Status: Offline Points: 1858 |
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Toronto definitely splashing the cash ready for the new season. At 34-y-o I wonder if Money Bill Williams is A: going to last, and B: worth all that expenditure? It's being reported that they've also approached Manu Tuilagi. I wonder who else is on their shopping list? 🤔 |
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Exiled_Scots
World Cup Winner London Scottish Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Status: Offline Points: 2588 |
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Not a question whether he or they are worth the expenditure or not, someone has put the the dosh on the table and the player has picked it up. I suspect there will be other players in the twilight zone (too old for the 2023 WC) will be exercising their options over the coming months ahead of the 6 Nations and selection of the squads. Would Farrell or Ford as “Northern boys” also consider going the M62 route? Edited by Exiled_Scots - 06 Nov 2019 at 21:43 |
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Watch Out - The Scottish Phoenix Club is on the Up!!
Seven down one to go |
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