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For me the Ealing vs Bedford game was evidence enough that the Championship Cup should be put out of its misery. There is no way that a great club like Bedford should concede 80 points, irrespective of their injury situation.

In truth it appeared to be a game who's result had little meaning and was reflected by another lacklustre gate. The sooner the Prem and Champ combine their cups as a structured preseason competition the better.
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

At least one of the tries was brought back because Ealing committed an offence (one I think was crossing) subsequently to the advantage being given but before the try was scored; therefore back for original advantage. I’m afraid you’re not always more knowledgeable than the man in the middle. Very strange comments to make in the wake of a thumping win! I think there was actually one time where he blew for a pen and then Ealing scored just after the pen was awarded, but he let the try stand anyway. Perhaps I missed a quick tap being taken but the game was long gone at this point anyway .

And if you’re going to have a dig at Bedford being thankful as only Yorkshire are keeping us from relegation, well Ealing should be thankful to Mike Gooley as he is the only thing keeping them from relegation. Ealing have a fantastic team and played some absolutely scintillating rugby today, but still only a few hundred people were rattling around in a ground devoid of any atmosphere. Bedford would kill to have a team that couple produce rugby like that! It’s only going to get harder to attract people when London Irish move down the road next year too.
I agree, Ealing's crowds are still very disappointing. Bedford have great community support.
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Originally posted by oneagainstthehead oneagainstthehead wrote:

Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Just to be clear, are you insinuating you genuinely believe a qualified referee was playing advantage to Ealing, waited until they had broken through to score a try and then decided to bring back play for the original penalty for no reason whatsoever? Why would he do this? What logical reason would there be for doing it? You absolutely may disagree with the ref if he has seen an infringement in the build up that you don’t agree with, but to suggest he’s just brought play back for no reason when Ealing were away to score is just absurd. I dread to think what the comments about the ref will be like if Ealing slip up again this season!

It helps no-one to have these slanging matches in the wake of a thumping win and an all round scintillating performance from Ealing. The officiating was not perfect today, when is it? Sir did not help himself by being almost totally devoid of recognisable signals.

I like to think I of myself as a two-eyed Ealing supporter but also a qualified referee (admittedly lapsed) who had a great view from the grandstand. This is my take on the incidents referred to:

1) Ealing ‘advantage’ called back for clear offside/crossing by Ealing;
2) Ealing destroy Bedford put in at scrum, referee indicates Ealing penalty advantage for front row standing up, Ealing scrum half picks up ball from wheeled scrum before it leaves Bedford second row feet, breaks blind and sets up score under posts. Penalty offence by Ealing scrum half picked up by assistant ref and play called back for first offence, penalty Ealing.
3) Kicking ball away - it was only a scrum to Ealing, no big deal, dealt with by advice.
4) Bedford player spikes ball after penalty conceded and verbally voiced his view of decision. Marched back not 10m but a full 20m.
5) Ealing player charges conversion early, sent back by referee, only retires half way back before turning to face kicker again. Missed conversion retaken.

We all jealousy guard our right to criticise officials but they are always:

a) closer to the action than us, and

b) sometimes right.
Okay, I shamefacedly retract my earlier comments in the face of this logical onslaught. If any of this had been remotely signalled during the match, it would have helped immensely.
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I thought the referee was very poor in commuicating his decisions for both teams. There were incidents for both teams where the players were visually aghast ( both teams ).

Gerg you hhave no need to retract your opinion under the barage of outcry with believing that the ref had a ' bad game'

The acussation of triumphalism is un founded. There was not a player or supporter who enjoyed the game in truth.

Bedford are in a bad place with injuries. Yesterday did not help with several players coming off with severe what appeared serious injuries.No player or supporter I spoke to post match were gloating or triumphant.

Bedford will come back stronger than ever in my opinion

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I thought the referee was very poor in commuicating his decisions for both teams. There were incidents for both teams where the players were visually aghast ( both teams ).

Gerg you hhave no need to retract your opinion under the barage of outcry with believing that the ref had a ' bad game'

The acussation of triumphalism is un founded. There was not a player or supporter who enjoyed the game in truth.

Bedford are in a bad place with injuries. Yesterday did not help with several players coming off with severe what appeared serious injuries.No player or supporter I spoke to post match were gloating or triumphant.

Bedford will come back stronger than ever in my opinion

Well said No7  Yesterday was always going to be tough, we knew that for various reasons that have been well covered in this debate. One or two more worthy of mention and will stick in the memory for quite some time are: firstly, being flanked in the gents just prior to kick off by Will Carrick-Smith 6 feet 10 and Sam Dickinson 6 feet 6, (no other comparisons available) but how amazing at such a ground players have to share such facilities with supporters. 
Meeting Will again post match to hand him the Blues Player of the match award, so well deserved in moving that huge frame around for the full 80 minutes.
Finally, a big well done to Paul Larkin for stepping onto the supporters coach at the end of the game to explain the feelings in the Blues dressing room.
 The players need our support both home and away more than ever so come on Blues fans, the players are giving their all, keep the faith. The next few games will be equally as tough, so get to G R on Saturday, Ampthill the following week, and most importantly to the game on Boxing Day again at G R it should be some game !!
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Half-time: Pirates 17 Nottingham 14
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Nottingham now lead 20-26 with 12 mins to play. 2 tries to 4.
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Shambolic performance from Pirates, atrocious second half.
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CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything
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Brilliant result for Notts. Denying Pirates a losing bonus point and taking 5 themselves in Penzance is a rare and special match for the visitors.
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great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.
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Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

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CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Not sure why anyone is surprised really, we're not that good.
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Originally posted by Hoffee Hoffee wrote:

Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Not sure why anyone is surprised really, we're not that good.
 

Very surprised there were apparently  12 changes from the League match win against Bedford but its the Cup and teams do try different combinations so maybe not such a shock
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Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

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CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Also a great result from a LS perspective, especially as our record in Penzance is appalling poor. No doubt Pirates will up their game for LS when we play them as they always do at home.

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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

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CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Also a great result from a LS perspective, especially as our record in Penzance is appalling poor. No doubt Pirates will up their game for LS next weekend as they always do.
 

Pirates v LS is the following weekend. LS could guarantee top-spot in their pool with a win at Nottingham next w/e...
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Also a great result from a LS perspective, especially as our record in Penzance is appalling poor. No doubt Pirates will up their game for LS next weekend as they always do.
 

Pirates v LS is the following weekend. LS could guarantee top-spot in their pool with a win at Nottingham next w/e...


Losing track off all these away games one after the other. Clearly those running this competition don’t having a clue having 3 pool games away one after he other.
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Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by Exiled_Scots Exiled_Scots wrote:

Originally posted by Donnyfan Donnyfan wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

CP 20 (0) Nott 29 (5) - surprise result with a last-kick penalty by O'Leary denying the hosts anything

 
great result for Nottingham. obviously they turned up!!. Pirates have just flat-lined recently.


Also a great result from a LS perspective, especially as our record in Penzance is appalling poor. No doubt Pirates will up their game for LS next weekend as they always do.
 

Pirates v LS is the following weekend. LS could guarantee top-spot in their pool with a win at Nottingham next w/e...


Losing track off all these away games one after the other. Clearly those running this competition don’t having a clue having 3 pool games away one after he other.

To be fair the reason for you having 3 away games is because the Mennaye pitch was relaid and new drainage installed when you should have been down here but the game was switched to the RAG.

Today we had so many playing their first game of the season plus others coming back from injury that I didn't rcognise most of them and it showed.

As for making predictions it's farcical because the teams are usually nowhere near the ones playing in the Championship proper.
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Nottingham were very good, and the somewhat experimental Pirates lineup was very disjointed. Several players were making their debuts, a couple after being out with injuries and medical issues. Too may mistakes and a very fragile defence at times meant we made it too easy for Nottingham, but well done to them - fully deserved their win.
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Pirate coaches will have to work hard to sort out the problem with the teams form over the last few weeks. Like Leicester they have the quality players on paper but struggling to get it together on the field.
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