Latest scores Week 20 January 25th

Onion Hawk wrote: No issues with any of our yellows more with the yellows he could and should have fished out to RAMS. I personally believe their high tackle deserved a yellow and one of their players came round very deliberately offside at a ruck 5 metres from their line to kill the ball when we’d made a break and had them scrambling.  Yellow every day in my book.   He wasn’t managing offsides.  We tested him less than RAMS on this front so maybe we are guilty of being naive and giving your midfield than yours gave ours.   The right team won but by more than they deserved in my opinion.

Clive Norling wrote: Sid James wrote: Clive Norling wrote: Full Bodied Red wrote: Agree entirely. Much improvement by Hull Ionians. Couldn't  understand the enormous penalty count and 3 yellows against them. Seemed as if different sanctions applied at the breakdown, offsides and high tackles.  Well played Hull Ionians today, we certainly didn't take you lightly and the team were told, this game is as important as last weeks against Richmond .... However, as an ex referee who was wired up to the referee and heard everything he said, my observations on the 3 x YC given against yourselves .... 1) Attacking driving maul by RAMS, the referee calls out your 7 and tells him get out of there, presumably in offside, the maul goes to ground and the referee gives a PT, having identified the offending player, by law, he has to YC him ... 2) RAMS attacking just outside the HI 22 metre line, RAMS throw a pass to a winger in space, the ball is knocked on by HI, again, in law, no real option for the referee, YC given 3) RAMS make a big line break, HI player gets back and catches the RAMS player around the head with force, again, straight forward YC .... this was in contrast to the high tackle against the RAMS scrum half a couple of minutes previously, where there was no line break, the tackle started at chest height and rose upwards, with no force .... penalty only We wish you all the best in your last 10 games. No. 1 was the first offence in our 22. Yes, it may have been a penalty but, penalty try and 1st offence yellow card is a bit officious. No. 2 - deliberate knock down or genuine attempt at interception?  No.3 was a high tackle. It was wrong but so was the missed forward pass which preceeded it and brought about the Rams attack. 1) Correct, clear and obvious forward pass missed by the referee and A/R 2) If you don't make the interception, protocol with the officials is you are likely to be Y/C in the situation 3) A misconception in the 23 years I refereed is that "you didn't give us a warning" ... "it was our first offence" ... "we've only been playing 2 minutes" ... if foul play stops a try PROBABLY (and that is the key word there) being scored, then it's a penalty try, first 10 seconds or last 10 seconds of the game, it's immaterial

KnightsBoy wrote: Clive Norling wrote: Sid James wrote: Clive Norling wrote: Full Bodied Red wrote: Agree entirely. Much improvement by Hull Ionians. Couldn't  understand the enormous penalty count and 3 yellows against them. Seemed as if different sanctions applied at the breakdown, offsides and high tackles.  Well played Hull Ionians today, we certainly didn't take you lightly and the team were told, this game is as important as last weeks against Richmond .... However, as an ex referee who was wired up to the referee and heard everything he said, my observations on the 3 x YC given against yourselves .... 1) Attacking driving maul by RAMS, the referee calls out your 7 and tells him get out of there, presumably in offside, the maul goes to ground and the referee gives a PT, having identified the offending player, by law, he has to YC him ... 2) RAMS attacking just outside the HI 22 metre line, RAMS throw a pass to a winger in space, the ball is knocked on by HI, again, in law, no real option for the referee, YC given 3) RAMS make a big line break, HI player gets back and catches the RAMS player around the head with force, again, straight forward YC .... this was in contrast to the high tackle against the RAMS scrum half a couple of minutes previously, where there was no line break, the tackle started at chest height and rose upwards, with no force .... penalty only We wish you all the best in your last 10 games. No. 1 was the first offence in our 22. Yes, it may have been a penalty but, penalty try and 1st offence yellow card is a bit officious. No. 2 - deliberate knock down or genuine attempt at interception?  No.3 was a high tackle. It was wrong but so was the missed forward pass which preceeded it and brought about the Rams attack. 1) Correct, clear and obvious forward pass missed by the referee and A/R 2) If you don't make the interception, protocol with the officials is you are likely to be Y/C in the situation 3) A misconception in the 23 years I refereed is that "you didn't give us a warning" ... "it was our first offence" ... "we've only been playing 2 minutes" ... if foul play stops a try PROBABLY (and that is the key word there) being scored, then it's a penalty try, first 10 seconds or last 10 seconds of the game, it's immaterial That is correct Clive, but what really frustrates the fan on the terrace is the inconsistency among the decisions. Not just at our level but so called International Refs are too inconsistent when making their decision.

KnightsBoy ... yes, I can understand the frustration from fans/supporters ... all I can say is the referee department works as hard as they can with resources available to cascade down interpretation/application of law in set instances but there will always be variables because of the fact you don't have robots officiating ... as regards Test matches, don't even get me started on that but if you believe the BEST 10 referees were at the World Cup, I'm afraid you would be mistaken ....

Clive Norling wrote: Sid James wrote: Clive Norling wrote: Full Bodied Red wrote: Agree entirely. Much improvement by Hull Ionians. Couldn't  understand the enormous penalty count and 3 yellows against them. Seemed as if different sanctions applied at the breakdown, offsides and high tackles.  Well played Hull Ionians today, we certainly didn't take you lightly and the team were told, this game is as important as last weeks against Richmond .... However, as an ex referee who was wired up to the referee and heard everything he said, my observations on the 3 x YC given against yourselves .... 1) Attacking driving maul by RAMS, the referee calls out your 7 and tells him get out of there, presumably in offside, the maul goes to ground and the referee gives a PT, having identified the offending player, by law, he has to YC him ... 2) RAMS attacking just outside the HI 22 metre line, RAMS throw a pass to a winger in space, the ball is knocked on by HI, again, in law, no real option for the referee, YC given 3) RAMS make a big line break, HI player gets back and catches the RAMS player around the head with force, again, straight forward YC .... this was in contrast to the high tackle against the RAMS scrum half a couple of minutes previously, where there was no line break, the tackle started at chest height and rose upwards, with no force .... penalty only We wish you all the best in your last 10 games. No. 1 was the first offence in our 22. Yes, it may have been a penalty but, penalty try and 1st offence yellow card is a bit officious. No. 2 - deliberate knock down or genuine attempt at interception?  No.3 was a high tackle. It was wrong but so was the missed forward pass which preceeded it and brought about the Rams attack. 1) Correct, clear and obvious forward pass missed by the referee and A/R 2) If you don't make the interception, protocol with the officials is you are likely to be Y/C in the situation 3) A misconception in the 23 years I refereed is that "you didn't give us a warning" ... "it was our first offence" ... "we've only been playing 2 minutes" ... if foul play stops a try PROBABLY (and that is the key word there) being scored, then it's a penalty try, first 10 seconds or last 10 seconds of the game, it's immaterial

Clive Norling wrote: Full Bodied Red wrote: Agree entirely. Much improvement by Hull Ionians. Couldn't  understand the enormous penalty count and 3 yellows against them. Seemed as if different sanctions applied at the breakdown, offsides and high tackles.  Well played Hull Ionians today, we certainly didn't take you lightly and the team were told, this game is as important as last weeks against Richmond .... However, as an ex referee who was wired up to the referee and heard everything he said, my observations on the 3 x YC given against yourselves .... 1) Attacking driving maul by RAMS, the referee calls out your 7 and tells him get out of there, presumably in offside, the maul goes to ground and the referee gives a PT, having identified the offending player, by law, he has to YC him ... 2) RAMS attacking just outside the HI 22 metre line, RAMS throw a pass to a winger in space, the ball is knocked on by HI, again, in law, no real option for the referee, YC given 3) RAMS make a big line break, HI player gets back and catches the RAMS player around the head with force, again, straight forward YC .... this was in contrast to the high tackle against the RAMS scrum half a couple of minutes previously, where there was no line break, the tackle started at chest height and rose upwards, with no force .... penalty only We wish you all the best in your last 10 games.

Edited by Sid James - 25 Jan 2020 at 22:55

Full Bodied Red wrote: Agree entirely. Much improvement by Hull Ionians. Couldn't  understand the enormous penalty count and 3 yellows against them. Seemed as if different sanctions applied at the breakdown, offsides and high tackles.

Well played Hull Ionians today, we certainly didn't take you lightly and the team were told, this game is as important as last weeks against Richmond ....

However, as an ex referee who was wired up to the referee and heard everything he said, my observations on the 3 x YC given against yourselves ....

1) Attacking driving maul by RAMS, the referee calls out your 7 and tells him get out of there, presumably in offside, the maul goes to ground and the referee gives a PT, having identified the offending player, by law, he has to YC him ...

2) RAMS attacking just outside the HI 22 metre line, RAMS throw a pass to a winger in space, the ball is knocked on by HI, again, in law, no real option for the referee, YC given

3) RAMS make a big line break, HI player gets back and catches the RAMS player around the head with force, again, straight forward YC .... this was in contrast to the high tackle against the RAMS scrum half a couple of minutes previously, where there was no line break, the tackle started at chest height and rose upwards, with no force .... penalty only

We wish you all the best in your last 10 games.

Full of praise for the boys today. They showed great spirit.

Toulouse wrote: Good win for DMP despite probably the worst refereeing display of the season, utterly out of his depth!!!

 He didn't have much help from his assistants, so they all missed numerous high tackles, a couple of knock ons, a tackle in the air, and generally had no consistency regarding what was offside and what wasn't. It must have been frustrating for the players.

Good win for DMP despite probably the worst refereeing display of the season, utterly out of his depth!!!

FT

Edited by Longtime - 25 Jan 2020 at 16:46