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    Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 18:12
They haven’t, it is off now. Also, I see that 3 Leicester City players are self isolating, the football must be close to being suspended. Which must mean that rugby has to as well. It is a contact sport after all.
It is a crazy world that we live in, but the RFU must now be concentrating on emergency measures to keep clubs afloat if revenue streams are interrupted. This will challenge them.
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Originally posted by Shamrose Shamrose wrote:

I think you can answer this question by looking at the F1 Grand Prix Australia

Teams from all over the world, including Italy have flown in and the Grand Prix will go ahead regardless

Says it all about CVC




Or possibly not as McLaren have pulled out.

Very surprised Australian authorities even considered letting it go ahead bearing in mind their strict contraband rules.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamrose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 14:47
You are totally correct

Sorry all
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark W-J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 13:24
CVC sold Formula 1 in 2017.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shamrose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Mar 2020 at 10:14
I think you can answer this question by looking at the F1 Grand Prix Australia

Teams from all over the world, including Italy have flown in and the Grand Prix will go ahead regardless

Says it all about CVC


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 19:38
The current emergency could ( should) be concentrating a few minds given the potential for lost revenue. All those salaries still have to be paid at the RFU.

BTW on the subject of sports administration canoeing is under the spotlight for bullying. Big injection of cash from Sport England mind!
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

The Times yesterday said CVC's stake in 6N will be around 15% which gives them the same as each of the six nations, which hopefully means those concerned can 'grow a pair' and express their opposition to the game leaving free-to-air TV after March 2021...

The problem is that this subject will form part of the discussions for the purchase, along the lines of:
‘We have 300 million of your British pounds that we are willing to split between you for 1 7th of your business, on the proviso that all potential TV revenues are maximized’
Looking at the state of the finances in the various RFU’s, I can’t see any of them resisting the pull of hard cash.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 19:15
Oh look a squadron of flying pigs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 18:50
The Times yesterday said CVC's stake in 6N will be around 15% which gives them the same as each of the six nations, which hopefully means those concerned can 'grow a pair' and express their opposition to the game leaving free-to-air TV after March 2021...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 14:05
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

I'm not sure I can express it better than Alan Tyers' final para in today's Torygraph:
<p ="Msonormal">Rugby need only examine the example of cricket post-2005 and
post-Channel 4 if it wants a road map to irrelevance for a great sport that was
once part of our national life. You would rate it completely unthinkable that
any sport could cut its own throat in such a fashion, but then you call to mind
the sort of people who rise to the top of sports administration and it starts
to make a certain sort of sense, as well as making you feel distinctly ill.
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Sports administration has emerged as a separate profession but unfortunately without the requisite safeguards - you just have to read about recent issues in the athletics, cycling, swimming and other minority sports to see where this is going.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 14:00
Exactly right - I'm not saying that ALL PE outfits are bad but in the case of rugby professionalism is dividing the game.

As an aside ( and relevant to the identification of prospects at 16 ) I note that S Africa appear to have a huge problem with performance/size enhancing drugs if article on BBC website anything to go by. I know there are issues within the UK and beyond but it is a worrying trend which is likely to put people off playing recreationally.

Like many posting on this forum I played for many years straight from school mainly at 2nd/3rd team level which was most enjoyable especially when coaching and fitness training extended down to the lower teams. I just don't see that level anymore when I watch games at clubs below the National level.

Is there a possibility that this initiative will drive clubs to form breakaway leagues similar to the set up in Lancashire?
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Originally posted by Bigmal Bigmal wrote:

This is still a minority sport and the RFU need to be very careful because it is always possible that there could be a grassroots rebellion?

I agree that the Prem should NOT be supported BUT there are a number of key issues to consider. Promising players will be identified by the time they are 16 and introduced into a selection process designed to produce future internationals and Prem players 'cos that is where the money is. Those who fall by the wayside ( and there will be many) may then just give up. It is all serious stuff.

Absolutely spot on Bigmal. The normal lifespan of a PE investment is typically 5 years and they will be looking for an absolute minimum ROI of 50% and that will not be seen as huge.
So, they will look to move very quickly to get revenues up so that they have some value to sell on. They won’t care where those revenues come from. If they get a good viewing deal signed they will probably be out before it matures.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 16:59
I'm not sure I can express it better than Alan Tyers' final para in today's Torygraph:

Rugby need only examine the example of cricket post-2005 and post-Channel 4 if it wants a road map to irrelevance for a great sport that was once part of our national life. You would rate it completely unthinkable that any sport could cut its own throat in such a fashion, but then you call to mind the sort of people who rise to the top of sports administration and it starts to make a certain sort of sense, as well as making you feel distinctly ill.


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This is still a minority sport and the RFU need to be very careful because it is always possible that there could be a grassroots rebellion?

I agree that the Prem should NOT be supported BUT there are a number of key issues to consider. Promising players will be identified by the time they are 16 and introduced into a selection process designed to produce future internationals and Prem players 'cos that is where the money is. Those who fall by the wayside ( and there will be many) may then just give up. It is all serious stuff.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 15:55
CVC are only interested in revenue not reach.
And they are interested in maximizing revenue in the short term.
But they need to make back everything they have invensted and more in the next 3-5 years.
Then they will sell it on - they will then move the money on to the next investment.
They do not care what happens after they sell the investment on, that is someone else's problem.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brizzer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 15:44
And there we have it. In the Times today, we could be seeing the end of free to view 6 Nations (so no BBC or ITV), but whether that means just Sky (or equivalent) or literally PTV like boxing, remains to be seen.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

No Kerry Packer offered the Australian Board money to show tests and was turned down.
He then organised a rebel tour and ensured the players got more of the TV money (which previously had been going to blazers or down the drain.
He also revolutionised coverage - being the first to have a camera at both ends of the pitch. He was after all primarily a TV man.
And then day night games so working australians could watch - either at the match or as he prefered on TV.

So in the end he did a lot of good for the game.

CVC did nothing to the format of F! - indeed they left Bernie in charge.
Bernie was initially great for the sport. But went on far too long.

Not sure what if anything they would do for rugby.



Just about spot on with everything in this post!
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Originally posted by One For The Ditch One For The Ditch wrote:

Very simple answer = Profiteer

Impact on Grass Roots might be positive with "CVC" marketing spend allowing greater exposure to the game resulting in more players joining and less leaving therefore more 2nd, 3rd and Vets XVs......who knows?

On that note, Friday early doors beckons

Seems a tad optimistic considering the impact of paywalls and vulture capitalists like CVC on other sports.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote One For The Ditch Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 14:55
Very simple answer = Profiteer

Impact on Grass Roots might be positive with "CVC" marketing spend allowing greater exposure to the game resulting in more players joining and less leaving therefore more 2nd, 3rd and Vets XVs......who knows?

On that note, Friday early doors beckons


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Feb 2020 at 12:59
No Kerry Packer offered the Australian Board money to show tests and was turned down.
He then organised a rebel tour and ensured the players got more of the TV money (which previously had been going to blazers or down the drain.
He also revolutionised coverage - being the first to have a camera at both ends of the pitch. He was after all primarily a TV man.
And then day night games so working australians could watch - either at the match or as he prefered on TV.

So in the end he did a lot of good for the game.

CVC did nothing to the format of F! - indeed they left Bernie in charge.
Bernie was initially great for the sport. But went on far too long.

Not sure what if anything they would do for rugby.

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