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    Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 18:40
Originally posted by Dan Gleebles Dan Gleebles wrote:

I enjoy my visits to Ealing, usually not the results though.Smile
I have actually wondered before if similar sentiment depresses gates at Ealing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dan Gleebles Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 17:39
I enjoy my visits to Ealing, usually not the results though.Smile
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Which sadly isn't saying much.
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When you go to Ealing, i agree it's clear to see that the whole project is a long term investment and not just money going into an empty pit, the club is backed by a strong amateur section and a good groundsharing agreement with Broncos. The club is probably based upon some of the strongest foundations you can find in English rugby right now.

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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business?  And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?


No different I suspect to most sponsors of most teams. 


Apart from the fact it is 1 sponsorship source so must make it more susceptible than clubs who have a number of smaller sponsors - particularly when their business is going to take a huge hit for a long period.


Ealing Trailfinders have dozens of smaller business sponsors . When you come down to Ealing take a look at all of the advertising boards that surround the entire pitch. Other parts of the club, the amateurs the Youth and Mini`s all have sponsors . They have hidden sponsors who not advertise but give generously to the club. The fact is you a wrong and not the first time when it comes to Ealing Trailfinders


Deliberately, or otherwise, you know exactly what I mean, but I will spell it out for you.

A team with 20 sponsors putting in £50k each is likely to be more sustainable than 1 sponsor putting in £1m - just ask Old Elthamians, Birmingham & Solihull etc


What you do not seem to grasp when comparing Ealing Trailfinders to Old Elthamians and Birmingham and Solihull is that Mike Gooley is more than just a sponsor he owns Trailfinders Sports Club outright, unencumbered. The site has several income streams he has been developing the site and income over twenty years. TWENTY YEARS ! The caps were deliberate. 


On top of that the pro team have dozens of smaller sponsors.



In that case, I am sure you will be ok.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:29
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business?  And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?


No different I suspect to most sponsors of most teams. 


Apart from the fact it is 1 sponsorship source so must make it more susceptible than clubs who have a number of smaller sponsors - particularly when their business is going to take a huge hit for a long period.


Ealing Trailfinders have dozens of smaller business sponsors . When you come down to Ealing take a look at all of the advertising boards that surround the entire pitch. Other parts of the club, the amateurs the Youth and Mini`s all have sponsors . They have hidden sponsors who not advertise but give generously to the club. The fact is you a wrong and not the first time when it comes to Ealing Trailfinders


Deliberately, or otherwise, you know exactly what I mean, but I will spell it out for you.

A team with 20 sponsors putting in £50k each is likely to be more sustainable than 1 sponsor putting in £1m - just ask Old Elthamians, Birmingham & Solihull etc

What you do not seem to grasp when comparing Ealing Trailfinders to Old Elthamians and Birmingham and Solihull is that Mike Gooley is more than just a sponsor he owns Trailfinders Sports Club outright, unencumbered. The site has several income streams he has been developing the site and income over twenty years. TWENTY YEARS ! The caps were deliberate. 


On top of that the pro team have dozens of smaller sponsors.


Edited by No 7 - 05 Apr 2020 at 13:31
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...?

Saracens chose to be relegated rather than open their books therefore if there is no promotion/relegation this season that decision should be carried over until the end of next season. Ensuring no points are to be played for in all Premiership games involving Saracens until then would prevent them from Lovelying the league further.

For lovelying read c-o-r-r-u-p-t-i-n-g!
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...?


Saracens chose to be relegated rather than open their books therefore if there is no promotion/relegation this season that decision should be carried over until the end of next season. Ensuring no points are to be played for in all Premiership games involving Saracens until then would prevent them from Lovelying the league further.


You are correct Saracens chose to be relegated so should be.

If they don't promote Newcastle then next season there should be 11 in the Premiership and 13 in the Championship.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...?

Saracens chose to be relegated rather than open their books therefore if there is no promotion/relegation this season that decision should be carried over until the end of next season. Ensuring no points are to be played for in all Premiership games involving Saracens until then would prevent them from Lovelying the league further.
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business?  And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?


No different I suspect to most sponsors of most teams. 


Apart from the fact it is 1 sponsorship source so must make it more susceptible than clubs who have a number of smaller sponsors - particularly when their business is going to take a huge hit for a long period.


Ealing Trailfinders have dozens of smaller business sponsors . When you come down to Ealing take a look at all of the advertising boards that surround the entire pitch. Other parts of the club, the amateurs the Youth and Mini`s all have sponsors . They have hidden sponsors who not advertise but give generously to the club. The fact is you a wrong and not the first time when it comes to Ealing Trailfinders


Deliberately, or otherwise, you know exactly what I mean, but I will spell it out for you.

A team with 20 sponsors putting in £50k each is likely to be more sustainable than 1 sponsor putting in £1m - just ask Old Elthamians, Birmingham & Solihull etc
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 07:07
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Richard Lowther Richard Lowther wrote:

Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business?  And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?


No different I suspect to most sponsors of most teams. 


Apart from the fact it is 1 sponsorship source so must make it more susceptible than clubs who have a number of smaller sponsors - particularly when their business is going to take a huge hit for a long period.

Ealing Trailfinders have dozens of smaller business sponsors . When you come down to Ealing take a look at all of the advertising boards that surround the entire pitch. Other parts of the club, the amateurs the Youth and Mini`s all have sponsors . They have hidden sponsors who not advertise but give generously to the club. The fact is you a wrong and not the first time when it comes to Ealing Trailfinders
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...?

I think the only exception to that would be any existing sanctions by the RFU.
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So by the above 'logic' Saracens, altho' mathematically relegated, wouldn't be replaced by Newcastle due to the latter not having had the chance to seal the deal...?
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Originally posted by Member728 Member728 wrote:

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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Interesting line on promotion today, albeit from another sport: the FA announced today that all lower-league (non-league) football was done for the season, and that all records would be wiped. The newly-launched Jersey Bulls team had won 27/27 in the Combined Counties League and mathematically secured promotion earlier this month, but now seemingly won't go up unless there is a restructuring or some special case made...

That seems pretty tough on a team that had actually secured promotion.

not really if the relegation issue in the division above is not decided

That should be the logical position the RFU should take. Results wiped except in the case of promotion/relegation between leagues where the positions are already guaranteed. For example in N3LSE, Guildford are mathematically relegated and North Walsham in L1N are mathematically champions so the RFU should just swap them over.   
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Originally posted by Stalwart Stalwart wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Interesting line on promotion today, albeit from another sport: the FA announced today that all lower-league (non-league) football was done for the season, and that all records would be wiped. The newly-launched Jersey Bulls team had won 27/27 in the Combined Counties League and mathematically secured promotion earlier this month, but now seemingly won't go up unless there is a restructuring or some special case made...

That seems pretty tough on a team that had actually secured promotion.

not really if the relegation issue in the division above is not decided
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 22:22
Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Interesting line on promotion today, albeit from another sport: the FA announced today that all lower-league (non-league) football was done for the season, and that all records would be wiped. The newly-launched Jersey Bulls team had won 27/27 in the Combined Counties League and mathematically secured promotion earlier this month, but now seemingly won't go up unless there is a restructuring or some special case made...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 21:05
Interesting line on promotion today, albeit from another sport: the FA announced today that all lower-league (non-league) football was done for the season, and that all records would be wiped. The newly-launched Jersey Bulls team had won 27/27 in the Combined Counties League and mathematically secured promotion earlier this month, but now seemingly won't go up unless there is a restructuring or some special case made...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 19:25
Originally posted by maire23 maire23 wrote:

Some of them appeared not to even know who Ealing were and confidently claimed they had no stable backing....
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Hmm, might the COVID-19 pandemic knock a hole in Mike Gooley's business model for the Trailfinders business?  And if so, wouldn't that have an impact on Ealing's finances?

It is  going to knock a hole in everyones pocket and every business.  I think other clubs will suffer financially more than Ealing Trailfinders.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fat Albert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2020 at 12:39

Ampthill DOR Mark Lavery commented on Ealing's position during an interview on Sky Sports News, being as diplomatic as I can be he wasn't very supportive



Edited by Fat Albert - 26 Mar 2020 at 12:42
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