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Camquin
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I am not entirely sure of the point of option 1.
All teams play the same fixtures as normal but in a different order. The local matches are played first - followed by the long trips. In a 14 team league, the season needs two more weeks of fixtures - as in the first part of the season where there are two pools of 7, one team in each pool does not have an opponent. So the long travel is postponed to the worse weather. The teams with most travel - NCA play their fixtures in the normal order. So for this option to happen we must be happy for contact sport to take place. Happy for clubs to play in front of crowds - otherwise the National league and Championship will not happen. Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas. Surely if you are going to do this then you apply it to the National league - which are 16 team league so the sub leagues are of 8 and do not have the problem of the team missing out. |
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Happy
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Think that is more about economics, less travel and bigger local derby crowds to boost the coffers
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Mark W-J
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Loosely defined as: Window 1 - a full season, starting September/ October Window 2 - three-quarters of a season, starting November/ December Window 3 - half a season, starting in January
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Robb
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I'd presume north, depends if they do north/south or east/west. I think it's a little hard to do north/south. |
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Happy
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Went with north south as they will want to avoid longer journey east west brings in Brighton to North Walsham for example
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Happy
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My guess at what it would look like North North Walsham Hertford Tring Maidenhead CS rugby Sutton and Epsom Wimbledon South Sidcup Sevenoaks T wells Brighton Havant Westcombe Park Dorking
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RedWhine
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Living in Kent, I've got to say that looks a great mini league with big local derbies every week!
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RedPete
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I re-read the rfu article and the windows are to be defined "next week" but I suspect it will be similar to what you have described
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Dad
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I would suspect the rationale is that if there is a winter flareup and contact tracing is needed - in the first half of the season you will only have met 6 other teams not 13
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Thatbloke
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Midlands Prem split conferences are out - can be found on Staffordshire RFU website
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Redted
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I am not entirely sure of the point of option 1.
All teams play the same fixtures as normal but in a different order. The local matches are played first - followed by the long trips. In a 14 team league, the season needs two more weeks of fixtures - as in the first part of the season where there are two pools of 7, one team in each pool does not have an opponent. So the long travel is postponed to the worse weather. The teams with most travel - NCA play their fixtures in the normal order. So for this option to happen we must be happy for contact sport to take place. Happy for clubs to play in front of crowds - otherwise the National league and Championship will not happen. Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas. Surely if you are going to do this then you apply it to the National league - which are 16 team league so the sub leagues are of 8 and do not have the problem of the team missing out. Agree entirely the NCA should be the first to have their leagues split not the exception. Happy for Plymouth to visit Darlington! But feel Wimbledon should not visit Tring, until after Christmas. Redruth to Bury St. Edmunds - 370 miles! |
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Camquin
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I think we have established that the RFU cannot find a map with both hands and their elbow.
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Dagfish
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I'm a little confused by that post on https://staffsrfu.com/return-to-competitive-playing-for-2020-21-season/. It might be OK for Midlands Prem, but it seems very out of sync at the bottom of the pyramid. Bees were initialy told that we we would be entering the league at Midlands West 4 (South), but the Staffs RFU has us in Midlands West 5 (South). Also, none of the clubs we thought we were going to be playing appear anywhere in the structure at all (Bedworth, Birmingham Civil Service, Chaddesley Corbett, Claverdon, Coventrians, Harbury, Old Wheatleyans, Old Yardleians, Pershore, Rugby Welsh and Upton on Severn).
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Penda
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Certainly the conference set up for Midlands Premier seems a little strange particularly if travel is the main criterion. eg Sandbach to SKiwifruithorpe?
Burton on Trent Bridgnorth Doncaster Phoenix Broadstreet Paviors Bromsgrove Sandbach Dudley
Kingswinford SKiwifruithorpe Newport
(Salop) Sheffield Nuneaton Syston Oundle A simple east/west split would seem to make more sense. Broadstreet Doncaster
Phoenix Sandbach Paviors Newport (Salop) Nuneaton Dudley Kingswinford Oundle Bridgnorth SKiwifruithorpe Bromsgrove Syston Burton on Trent Sheffield |
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Thatbloke
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Penda - your groupings are eminently more sensible with Sandbach & Burton swapping with Nuns and Oundle
However, the devil in me suspects there may be more to the groupings than just travel. An abbreviated season, which seems highly likely, may mean the 12 conference games are the only ones that get played in which case there is a play off to determine who wins the League (and presumably promotion?) Is it just coincidence that in 1 group we have 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th from last season and in the other 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th and 11th with only Paviors bucking that trend together with the relegated and promoted clubs?? In other words a basic attempt to have 2 equally balanced groups
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Raider999
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Unfortunately, that is what happens when leagues are sub-divided. If you want a balanced split then it is difficult to minimise the travel as much as you can if you forget standard and split on a strict regional basis. |
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Richmids
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I wonder if they go with the conference route if sides might have friendlies with local sides to help boost up the fixtures and give players few more games?
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Raider999
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Is anyone really interested in friendly matches - IMO it is all about league matches where there is something at stake. |
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Camquin
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The conference system is to cope with a late start - there will not be time for friendlies.
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Penda
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It's not a bad idea to fill blank Saturdays. As we are level transferred there are many of our traditional rivals that we don't play anymore apart from the odd county cup game eg Lymm, Macclesfield, Northwich, Wirral, Wilmslow.
All these would probably pull in bigger crowds than our usual fixtures. As for being 'friendlies', there's a lot to be said for local bragging rights to bring a little er.. edge to games.
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