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FHLH
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£5 was equivalent to 40 pints in 1970 (2s/6d) - I'll let you do the maths
Mind you, Mild was 1s/10d - so 11 pints/£1 = 55 pints ....... Edited by FHLH - 01 May 2020 at 14:07 |
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Actually I used
And was looking at the income equivalence. I was 6 in 1970 and saving up for Airfix kits which I remember being 5/- and now seem to be about £10. |
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I'm afraid you are way off. According to inflation figures £5 in 1970 would be worth £77.85 today - Camquin however was fairly close, benefit of being old perhaps Edited by Raider999 - 01 May 2020 at 12:34 |
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I think the fag packet calculation is that money doubles in value every 10 years, so:
1970 £5 1980 £10 1990 £20 2000 £40 2010 £80 2020 £160 So £150 is about right, but not sure you should believe everything written on the back of a fag packet.
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And the wardroom rates.
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Not to mention the free food and lodgings |
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And the rest, in 1973 the shop I worked n the assistant manager earned £19 pounds a week, I as a junior earned £4 imagine how I felt in Jan 74 I joined the RN and got 100% pay rise to £8 a week, I thought I was a millionaire
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Camquin
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A fiver in 1970 would be worth more than £150 today.
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Raider999
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Apart from the envelopes in their boots at the end of the game |
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They did in the amateur days....... |
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Reading through this thread I have to say I on this occasion disagree with most, looking an an annual salary cap of £250k with a squad of say 40 players would mean an annual fee per player of £6,250, if you take into consideration travel, training 2 or 3 times per week. Along with potentially of injury and risk of being off work (the day job for non professional) it is a very low figure.
Furthermore, if you take each club and say they have (for arguments sake) 3 players who are full time at £25K each it leaves only around £4.7k per player in the rest of the squad, there are a number of teams who travel on a Friday, meaning players take the day off, if this is 12 times per year they could be looking at either using holidays or taking unpaid leave for these days again at the players cost. I think it is a fair payment in truth looking at the above, and I would ask the question of any professional person, would they risk their day job income to turn out on a Saturday afternoon for our pleasure for what could be a couple of hundred pounds on a pay as you play basis
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FHLH
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maybe we should go back to Amateur but what would happen to the crowds over and above loyal followers
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Even if you only pay match fee, you still need a contract.
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May be contracts will not be the case, but pay per play applied.
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Raider999
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I think most clubs will find sponsorship heavily scaled back this coming season. I also think a number of clubs are already signing new players on - is that wise when the new season start date is still up in the air, I'm not so sure. |
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FHLH
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The loss of rugby is a pain, but not as much as COVID-19. As you say, I cannot see any reason to start rugby until a vaccine is found. The loss of income for clubs is twofold, firstly rugby income - gate, bar, sponsorship but secondly the income from use of the clubhouse and grounds during the day and in the summer for corporate days, conferences, birthday parties and a host of other types. This is the income that will be truly missed on the assumption that rugby income covers players costs that are not now being spent, leaving the core overhead of the club infrastructure to be met met or considerably contributed to, from non-rugby sources which are now negated. Some clubs can meet this deficit from historic reserves, others not.
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Intouch. Well said, I agree with you that it's unlikely we'll see any rugby any time soon. I'd even go so far as to say 2020/21 season may not happen at all
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This is a post I made on another thread, but same applies here, its slightly adjusted for this topic.
I have pointed out a couple of clubs, it could have been many, so lets get this straight, Im not having a dig at them in anyway, Im pointing out what I can see are facts. Firstly If any club at National one is paying retainers at this point they really are delusional, reasons are below, its dead money and it could go on for years, but we know there are some clubs doing this. It does not matter if the salary cap is 1p or £100k people are missing the point. You have some clubs saying in the rugby paper that they are against a cut, no problems, but tell me why is that same club are all over "go fund me" and "fund raising pages" trying to get income for the club? Cambridge being the prime example. Yer yer we got £250k to spend it was sorted at Christmas, oh by the way can you all "pay your membership and season tickets early" ( there might be no rugby ) and/or our fund raising page is ...www....... and we are looking to raise £30k on top DMP is another, when the Tom Jones concerts get cancelled, if they have not been already, their income landscape will have totally changed, they might have been lucky and had these covered by insurance, but the day to day income of The Arena has gone for a long time. I really think the whole landscape of sport outside the top divisions of Football, Rugby and Cricket are in for a massive hard time, not just for one or two seasons either, for a very long time! Sponsors are not going to want to put money into a club when they are having to lay off their work force, what come first a few K into a rugby club or having an extra 2 people employed ? You tell me Mr Trailfinders will have the same budget for his rugby club after nobody has been away for 6 months than before, when Mr Branson is trying to keep him company afloat. I think that until there is a vaccine to this you will have no Rugby, not matter how long it takes! It's only my view but I cannot see rugby being played till we have a solution, therefore clubs will have no income! Let's look at what could happen. This Virus has accounted for 21k + deaths that are in hospitals alone, there is nobody in their correct mind that will take a risk over this. Not one club committee, not one D of R not one player. The death number is climbing and we don't have an answer to it yet, thats a fact, what we do know is its passed from person to person by touch, spit etc, where better to do that than on rugby field on a Saturday, or even better for 2 months pre season with a group of 30 players sweating, using the same water bottles etc So if the RFU says ok lets go back and play the game we all love. Two sides meet on a Saturday for a league game,unbeknown one player has COV19 or is carrying it. Lets say he's a forward and its passed on at scrum time, from one player to another. You now have 20 players from each side plus officials who now need to spend the next 14 days in Isolation ( so neither club has a side for the next 2 Saturdays) Move this one step on, what if a player dies from this having contracted COV19 this during a game, the law suit against the club and the RFU will be massive. More importantly, will a player risk his health by playing, you will not know that everybody you are playing against or with are clean. The last point, there is no way that the UK Gov will open bars at clubs when they have pubs shut, what is the difference between having a beer in a pub or at a rugby club bar, that just will not happen. Im sorry to say and I do hope hope I am very wrong, but club rugby below the Prem does not start till after we have a vaccine. There will be some very difficult choices that are going to have to be made by clubs very soon as they say we are 9/12 months away from getting a vaccine. So the "big" clubs with the we are alright jack, may well be ok now, but with no season ticket sales, no beer sold, no sponsorship money come in, because there is nothing to sponsor or companies just dont have any liquid cash,no 15 home game sold out lunches, so social events, nothing at all as the padlock is on the clubhouse, lets see what the end result is going to be. There is only so long that people are going to use a fund raising page and if there is no rugby this season and people have paid for their seasons tickets, they will want them rolled over to next! I think it will be a very drastic salary cap taken out of the clubs hands and imposed by the RFU because they don't want 50% or more of their club game going to the wall, and it will be Champ and National 1 and 2 clubs going to the wall, the grant they(RFU) have given, well if every club in the land thats in a league applies and are given it, it works our about £150 a club! Sorry but Champ, National 1 and 2 clubs really need to look at the bigger picture and try and see where they will be this time next year, if we have had no rugby for a season! Edited by Intouch - 28 Apr 2020 at 09:50 |
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So this will I assure you be my second and last post on rolling maul
It is clear that almost all of you who have posted did not read my lengthy note Let me distill it for you Uk and the whole world have changed overnight There has been a global shock to the world economy Sport is a relatively inconsequential if enjoyable part of that economy Sporting finances have always been mainly on the wrong side of viable To begin with that will mean that revenue this season and beyond will be dramatically reduced for Clubs In the business world that means that with declining revenue you have to reduce costs or you go bust Why would rugby be any different ? Then there is the very real prospect of no Rugby being played at all this season without a vaccine- read the vaccine thread on rolling maul Please explain to me which part of this you don't agree with but rest assured I will not reply . I am quite busy ensuring my Rugby Club survives and trying to get my employees back to work.
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