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The Blues 
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 Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 08:06 |
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Ah ok, that makes sense.
In that case a reduction would only benefit a wealthy club. Take money away from the poorer ones and the rich ones could afford to swallow the travel expenditure.
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Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 07:18 |
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I think YC had a budget considerably less than £1m . . . probably nearer the £600k, I dont expect people to be rushing into fund them!
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 23:27 |
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I believe it does.
But the only penalty is loss of travel funds and the subsidy on referees. Mind you YC officially had a budget of under £1m with £600k of that allocated to the Rugby Dept. for last season. That was with £600k of central funding. |
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The Blues
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 22:56 |
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I guess the cap does not apply to the relegated Championship club?
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 17:50 |
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That as may be however, before Clive N replies, Rams were not one of the teams that sprang to mind when I posted. |
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Jester10
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Spot on! I remember talking to a Member at a club Rams were visiting and he commented on how he didn't know any of his team anymore, they weren't even seen at the club other than on a Saturday.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 14:15 |
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In recent years a number of clubs have had budgets way in excess of £250k when playing in N2 - if you think they reduced their budget when they were promoted to N1 you are away with the fairies.
I agree, it is a desperate attempt by clubs who suddenly cannot spend the amount they used to and knowing a lot of the players are with them for the money rather club loyalty rightly fear a drain of players to those who will pay |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 12:50 |
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Could be right!
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DGS Old Boy
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:55 |
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 Fully agree BFG1, I'm under the impression that its only two clubs who have suggested this change is it because they are running out of money and are losing players to other clubs? |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 10:50 |
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Having just read the TRP article, I do agree that the proposal to scrap the current N1 salary cap is not driven by anything but self interest. A cap means 'up to' a certain amount. It is, as pointed out by numerous correspondents, a limit rather than a target.If clubs have less money, spend less. No one is making clubs import expensive players. If that means reduced performance, then that performance is all that club can sustain. We're talking relatively small sums of money for running a business here, after all.
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 09:49 |
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Just read TRP article and intuit amazing that a cut and draconian points deductions is being driven by 2 of the worst offenders of manipulating the system it’s almost laughable well done Richie Williams and Gary Law for saying it as it is. Know the Blackheath ex pres has also gone in print about the absurdity of this proposal. There will obviously have to be changes for next season when it eventually gets underway and I think most players are sensible enough to realise that but I see no need to reset everything to suit 2 clubs who have never played on the level playing field
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 08:11 |
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You are right about lack of funding of over 250k but I bet said clubs who went over that didn’t declare it...
Seen Cambridge and DMP have an article in rugby paper on this as well |
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Monkey Boy
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Posted: 26 Apr 2020 at 00:22 |
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Spend what you’ve got and if you get relegated then so what?
It’s rugby at level 3/4 and to be spending £250k on it is just utter absurdity
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 23:19 |
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But there is no salary cap. The RFU regs say that if you spend money on players then you have to declare how much. If it is over a prescribed amount for the level you are playing in then you will lose all RFU funding.
So, in level 3, I believe that amount is £250K. If you declare that your club has spent more than that amount then you are no longer eligible for travel funding (for the peanuts what that is worth) access to RFU loans and grants, subsidised referees fees and the international ticket allocation. If your club wishes to progress beyond level 3 then I suspect you will be paying way over this amount. However, if your club does not have access to this amount of money, you do not spend it. Clubs may well have to adjust their aspirations because of the situation we are all in but that is their choice. Why should one club who foresees a problem suggest to other clubs that 'we are in the smelly brown stuff lads because we only have one major sponsor so you all have to spend less even if you have ten sponsors and it won't affect you as much'? |
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 22:23 |
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Totally agree as I have already said |
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 21:51 |
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Think major issue is the fact Chinnor and others haven’t kept to the current cap. Why now would they keep to it? It must include all benefits of kind which some clubs that are proposing the cap haven’t.
NCA couldn’t police current cap so no chance could police £150k cap It shouts to me now we don’t have loads of money we want everyone to spend the same! Leave the cap as is. It’s not a target you must spend. No different to 70mph speed limit. |
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 20:29 |
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They would have ignored it as they did
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 19:57 |
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Things have changed, however if players have contracts then these are legally enforceable (should the players want to) - just because some clubs have no money it is not a reason to change what is already set in stone and agreed by all clubs. I can imagine Chinnor's response if this had been proposed last summer. |
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 18:41 |
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But isn't the point being made now is that circumstances have changed and with it the need to re-evaluate the salary cap?
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Posted: 25 Apr 2020 at 16:54 |
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Its interesting listening to the arguments regarding a salary cap, National one already has a salary cap which as stated earlier is exactly that, a maximum budget figure for the clubs and clubs can either pay to its maximum or not as they see fit.
A major flaw in the system is how is the salary cap defined and policed? The current level was set in consultation with the clubs and the clubs were happy with it because it was set at a level that most of the clubs either couldn't afford to exceed or didn't want to so it is easy to police, however, if the salary cap is reduced there will be a number of ambitious clubs who will work around it and break it to attract the better players to give them an advantage, these clubs will be the ones who have a benefactor who is willing to "employ" players separately to the club they are sponsoring thus keeping that clubs playing budget below the salary cap, even with the current salary cap it is happening throughout the divisions resulting in those clubs going on to win promotion. Summing up it would be very difficult to police, and it would hand an advantage to those clubs who have the type of benefactor who is prepared to help them bend the rules. and at risk of repeating myself it is up to the clubs how much they want to allocate to a playing budget as long as they don't exceed the set salary cap levels, nothing is broken so nothing needs fixing!!! |
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