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With a well known wiki editor (Jjgsmith) we’ve worked together to update the entire Northern Division Wikipedia pages, to include all league winners, relegations and restructurings. This also includes now defunct leagues such as North West 3, North East 1 etc etc. 

We’re still working through some of the NW leagues as it was rather complicated back in the day!

We’re hoping to then complete Midlands and Southern Divisions at some point in the future as well.

Take a look, work your way through the various levels and you might find your club winning a league that you may have had no idea about! 

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Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.
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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.
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Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.

You're not really surprised are you?
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Quuite a few teams in the higher leagues got their fingers burned.

With regards to the RFU & Wiki, I've been trying to find the England team that played the New Zealand Native in 1888/1889, any help greatfully received, as next step the TW2 museum but probably furloughed.
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Originally posted by Camp Freddie Camp Freddie wrote:

Quuite a few teams in the higher leagues got their fingers burned.

With regards to the RFU & Wiki, I've been trying to find the England team that played the New Zealand Native in 1888/1889, any help greatfully received, as next step the TW2 museum but probably furloughed.

I've got that. Email me and I'll send you the details - tackler7@yahoo.com
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Top man Richard, thanks for your help.
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Originally posted by WEvans WEvans wrote:

Originally posted by Novocastrian Novocastrian wrote:

Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Via a combination of the RFU website, some Rothmans yearbooks, Courage Clubs Directories and a healthy dollop of OCD, I've compiled a spreadsheet with all of the league tables for London & South East since 1987.  I haven't got the patience to format it for Wikipedia, but if it would be of any use to you then drop me a line.

That would be tremendous. DM sent.

I must admit, it is incredibly painful to update it onto wikipedia. But once it's there, it's there which is useful for everyone. Surprising that the RFU have never gotten round to updating the tables themselves on their own website.

You're not really surprised are you?

Not particularly. It’s still a shame it’s left up to others (History bores and volunteers!Wink )to get the work done!

Anyway, the entire Northern Division is nearly finished. There’s been some very strange league set ups in the North West over the years, I must say (North West West 1 and names like that). At least it’s mostly done now though. Take a look if you’re from the North and are interested in seeing the rise and fall of certain clubs.

We’ll then be moving onto doing the entire London SE set up courtesy of Mark W-J’s great work. And finally Midlands. (SW has already been done).
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All London & SE leagues now updated on wiki.

Only Midlands Division left to do. Does anyone have this on hand?
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In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.
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Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.
Level 4 that year was made up of:
Roundhay, Rugby, Solihull, Stourbridge, Preston Grasshoppers, Birkenhead Park,  Broughton Park, Derby, Durham City, Lichfield and Northern. 
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Originally posted by 'Hopper 'Hopper wrote:

Originally posted by Allan Foster Allan Foster wrote:

In National Division Three (level 3) that year, the clubs were, in no particular order:

Vale of Lune, Sheffield, Plymouth, Met Police, Fylde, Maidstone, Birmingham, Exeter, West Hartlepool, Wakefield, Morley & Nuneaton.
Level 4 that year was made up of:
Roundhay, Rugby, Solihull, Stourbridge, Preston Grasshoppers, Birkenhead Park,  Broughton Park, Derby, Durham City, Lichfield and Northern. 
I think you will find that was level 5... the first split North / South below 4 national leagues (see my post early in the thread). It had a catchy title of "Area League North" I believe!
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No, Area League North/ South was level four.  Renamed Courage League Four North/ South at the start of the 1990-91 season.  Became Courage Five North/ South for the 1994-95 campaign (I think) due to the reduction in the size of leagues above.

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