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Raider999
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4434 |
Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 11:15 | |||
I think this is the point, if only 1 person needed to sign it off there would be scope for errors either deliberate or accidental.
By having 4 signatories then any such errors should be highlighted before submission, assuming they actually read it through and don't just sign it. |
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PiffPaff
World Cup Winner Joined: 30 Oct 2014 Location: Manchester Status: Offline Points: 1126 |
Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:11 | |||
This isn't Rocket Science....use to be.
In the good old days (3 years ago) you had to manually fill out the form and send it to Nicky Cook. Who whilst she was a stickler for the rules she also very, very helpful. GMS has replaced all the manual entry bit and you basically have to answer some Yes/No Tick Boxes, if you don't understand the question you could still ask for help just don't press SEND until you were ready. It then required the other 3 "Golden" Role people to read and click confirm, kind of a anti-negligence check. So yes its sad they did PA for a clerical error but it looks a bit negligent to a man on a galloping horse does it not?
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Crouch, Bind, Tweet!
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Camquin
World Cup Winner Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11158 |
Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 09:32 | |||
You have to wonder how often they do not bother to read the documents they sign in their day jobs.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Mark W-J
Coaching staff Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3652 |
Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 08:30 | |||
But the RFU's attitude appears to be that if four people have to sign it, and three of them couldn't be bothered to check that the first person had done it correctly, then the club has been negligent.
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Halliford
World Cup Winner Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4157 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 22:28 | |||
I have! Last year the Return was completed by me as Secretary passed to the President, Chairman and Treasurer for signature then submitted online as a pdf as well as ticking some boxes. This year it was all done online with the 4 of us signing electronically through GMS.
Those 4 roles are those that the RFU holds responsible for each Club.
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Camquin
World Cup Winner Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 11158 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 22:03 | |||
As I understand it one person should be able to fill it in. The other three merely need to check and sign it. The idea is that all four are declaring the form is correct. I would hope you can fix it up until the point all four have signed. However, as I am not on the committee I have not seen the interface.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Runitback
World Cup Winner Joined: 22 Sep 2014 Location: North Status: Offline Points: 1211 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 21:27 | |||
I am sorry but if it takes 4 people to sign off a return it is obviously too complicated, this is an amateur at best semi - pro sport, run by enthusiasts and amateurs. Yes flagrant breaking of the rules should be punished but not simple clerical errors . . come on. Rams and PA have been very very harshly treated, and to impose a fine on either club at these times is simply madness . . .. I wonder what salary sacrifice Sweeney Todd has made?
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Run with it
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Halliford
World Cup Winner Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4157 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 16:04 | |||
I have a bit of sympathy but not a lot. I've done my Club;'s Return for the last two years and made sure I asked the questions before I hit the final button. Last year, which is the year they are being punished for, also required 4 people to physically sign a document so how are those 4 dealing with their failure to ensure the return was correct?
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WEvans
World Cup Winner Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 14:45 | |||
I would imagine whoever receives the |
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Redted
World Cup Winner Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1082 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 10:38 | |||
Are they talking about last years travel money?
If not and it is this seasons then its no financial sanction at all given the RFU have withdrawn support for the NCA and there won't be any travel money. Enjoyed reading the letter, ignore the actual 'offence' and the general tone puts across perfectly the problems clubs face when ever dealing with the RFU.
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greeneyed
British and Irish Lion Joined: 06 Oct 2013 Location: Wharfedale Status: Offline Points: 193 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 09:56 | |||
I have done my best to feel some sympathy for Plymouth Albion but taking account of the way they gamed the system to leave creditors unpaid, I have totally failed to find any. To my mind the RFU were complicit, the Regulations in place at the time conniving at bringing the Game into disrepute.
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backrowb
World Cup Winner Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Gods own county Status: Offline Points: 1656 |
Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 09:14 | |||
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Raider999
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4434 |
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 23:00 | |||
Having just read through the letter I am sure it will go down well at HQ. I suspect a lot of people would have more sympathy if Plymouth hadn't recently been in Administration (was this the first time?) and exited it still owing a lot of local people/businesses the majority of what they were entitled to. Just to say, this is just my personal opinion. |
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The Joy of (Level) 7
World Cup Winner Joined: 15 Dec 2010 Location: Devon Status: Offline Points: 327 |
Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 22:26 | |||
http://www.plymouthalbion.com/latest-news/a-letter-to-the-rfu/
This might not be received too well as some of the points are probably valid.
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TJOS
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Neasham
World Cup Winner Joined: 09 May 2014 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 461 |
Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:42 | |||
You can miss revenue you were expecting to generate as part of a longer term business plan. Never been a DMP member just a fairly frequent spectator so will have to rely on others for updates. Hopefully all will be well.
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front5
World Cup Winner Joined: 26 May 2017 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 399 |
Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:06 | |||
My point about this being minor issue was this was money assisgned for a development which to date has not happened. As such can't miss money you never had and any business plan based around proposed investments is always destined to fail
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Neasham
World Cup Winner Joined: 09 May 2014 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 461 |
Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:02 | |||
Yes I read that at the time. Not a lot of detail about what was actually inaccurate. It was reassuring to read that long term finances are sound but then an extraordinary general meeting is called.
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Flish
British and Irish Lion Joined: 18 Oct 2014 Location: Stockton Status: Offline Points: 208 |
Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 14:28 | |||
Which has some pretty major inaccuracies, hence the statement at https://www.mowdenpark.com/news/club-statement--darlington-sports-village-2549031.html |
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WEvans
World Cup Winner Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1381 |
Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 16:55 | |||
It's not his device that has the virus.
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Neasham
World Cup Winner Joined: 09 May 2014 Location: County Durham Status: Offline Points: 461 |
Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 08:48 | |||
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