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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 11:15
I think this is the point, if only 1 person needed to sign it off there would be scope for errors either deliberate or accidental.

By having 4 signatories then any such errors should be highlighted before submission, assuming they actually read it through and don't just sign it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 10:11
This isn't Rocket Science....use to be.
 
In the good old days (3 years ago) you had to manually fill out the form and send it to Nicky Cook. Who whilst she was a stickler for the rules she also very, very helpful. GMS has replaced all the manual entry bit and you basically have to answer some Yes/No Tick Boxes, if you don't understand the question you could still ask for help just don't press SEND until you were ready. It then required the other 3 "Golden" Role people to read and click confirm, kind of a anti-negligence check. So yes its sad they did PA for a clerical error but it looks a bit negligent to a man on a galloping horse does it not?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 09:32
You have to wonder how often they do not bother to read the documents they sign in their day jobs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 2020 at 08:30
Originally posted by Runitback Runitback wrote:

I am sorry but if it takes 4 people to sign off a return it is obviously too complicated, this is an amateur at best semi - pro sport, run by enthusiasts and amateurs. Yes flagrant breaking of the rules should be punished but not simple clerical errors . . come on. Rams and PA have been very very harshly treated, and to impose a fine on either club at these times is simply madness . . .. I wonder what salary sacrifice Sweeney Todd has made?
But the RFU's attitude appears to be that if four people have to sign it, and three of them couldn't be bothered to check that the first person had done it correctly, then the club has been negligent.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 22:28
I have! Last year the Return was completed by me as Secretary passed to the President, Chairman and Treasurer for signature then submitted online as a pdf as well as ticking some boxes. This year it was all done online with the 4 of us signing electronically through GMS.

Those 4 roles are those that the RFU holds responsible for each Club.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 22:03
As I understand it one person should be able to fill it in.
The other three merely need to check and sign it. 

The idea is that all four are declaring the form is correct.
I would hope you can fix it up until the point all four have signed. 
However, as I am not on the committee I have not seen the interface.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 21:27
I am sorry but if it takes 4 people to sign off a return it is obviously too complicated, this is an amateur at best semi - pro sport, run by enthusiasts and amateurs. Yes flagrant breaking of the rules should be punished but not simple clerical errors . . come on. Rams and PA have been very very harshly treated, and to impose a fine on either club at these times is simply madness . . .. I wonder what salary sacrifice Sweeney Todd has made?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 16:04
I have a bit of sympathy but not a lot. I've done my Club;'s Return for the last two years and made sure I asked the questions before I hit the final button. Last year, which is the year they are being punished for, also required 4 people to physically sign a document so how are those 4 dealing with their failure to ensure the return was correct?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 14:45

I would imagine whoever receives the lecture letter will fall asleep long before they get to the end.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 10:38
Are they talking about last years travel money?
If not and it is this seasons then its no financial sanction at all given the RFU have withdrawn support for the NCA and there won't be any travel money.

Enjoyed reading the letter, ignore the actual 'offence' and the general tone puts across perfectly the problems clubs face when ever dealing with the RFU.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 09:56
I have done my best to feel some sympathy for Plymouth Albion but taking account of the way they gamed the system to leave creditors unpaid, I have totally failed to find any. To my mind the RFU were complicit, the Regulations in place at the time conniving at bringing the Game into disrepute.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2020 at 09:14
Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

http://www.plymouthalbion.com/latest-news/a-letter-to-the-rfu/

This might not be received too well as some of the points are probably valid.
I bit too flowery and bit "me, me" IMHO, but can't really argue with any of the messages being put across (once you can find them).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 23:00
Originally posted by The Joy of (Level) 7 The Joy of (Level) 7 wrote:

http://www.plymouthalbion.com/latest-news/a-letter-to-the-rfu/

This might not be received too well as some of the points are probably valid.


Having just read through the letter I am sure it will go down well at HQ.

I suspect a lot of people would have more sympathy if Plymouth hadn't recently been in Administration (was this the first time?) and exited it still owing a lot of local people/businesses the majority of what they were entitled to.

Just to say, this is just my personal opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2020 at 22:26
http://www.plymouthalbion.com/latest-news/a-letter-to-the-rfu/

This might not be received too well as some of the points are probably valid.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:42
Originally posted by front5 front5 wrote:

Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Originally posted by Flish Flish wrote:

Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18569968.darlington-council-set-drop-20m-sports-village-plan/

Which has some pretty major inaccuracies, hence the statement at https://www.mowdenpark.com/news/club-statement--darlington-sports-village-2549031.html 


Yes I read that at the time. Not a lot of detail about what was actually inaccurate. It was reassuring to read that long term finances are sound but then an extraordinary general meeting is called.

My point about this being  minor issue was this was money assisgned for a development which to date has not happened. As such can't miss money you never had and any business plan based around proposed investments is always destined to fail

You can miss revenue you were expecting to generate as part of a longer term business plan. Never been a DMP member just a fairly frequent spectator so will have to rely on others for updates. Hopefully all will be well. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:06
Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

Originally posted by Flish Flish wrote:

Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18569968.darlington-council-set-drop-20m-sports-village-plan/

Which has some pretty major inaccuracies, hence the statement at https://www.mowdenpark.com/news/club-statement--darlington-sports-village-2549031.html 


Yes I read that at the time. Not a lot of detail about what was actually inaccurate. It was reassuring to read that long term finances are sound but then an extraordinary general meeting is called.

My point about this being  minor issue was this was money assisgned for a development which to date has not happened. As such can't miss money you never had and any business plan based around proposed investments is always destined to fail
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 20:02
Originally posted by Flish Flish wrote:

Originally posted by Neasham Neasham wrote:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18569968.darlington-council-set-drop-20m-sports-village-plan/

Which has some pretty major inaccuracies, hence the statement at https://www.mowdenpark.com/news/club-statement--darlington-sports-village-2549031.html 


Yes I read that at the time. Not a lot of detail about what was actually inaccurate. It was reassuring to read that long term finances are sound but then an extraordinary general meeting is called.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 2020 at 14:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2020 at 16:55
Originally posted by backrowb backrowb wrote:

Originally posted by TigerTitan TigerTitan wrote:

dmp are selling the stadium to a chinese owner 
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