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Raider999
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4420 |
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No need for props then - stick a couple of back rowers in instead |
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Halliford
World Cup Winner Joined: 17 Feb 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4132 |
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Not sure, previous experience says props have value as lifters at line outs and also read defence better around rucks. Go for mobile props!
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Keeppushininthescrum
British and Irish Lion Joined: 24 May 2017 Location: Ellesmere Port Status: Offline Points: 155 |
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I wouldn't worry about winning games by bending rules,
The virtueous amongst us would rather see the props on the pitch. I'm siding with them.
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1704 |
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Don't want to worry you guys but I have been told that one (definitely) and more ( probably) will NOT be partaking in this form of quasi-rugby and decided to shut up shop till next season. This decision is based purely on their inability to fund such activities. As has been pointed out by several on this forum previously - semi pro players expecting to be paid by clubs who have little or no income.
Wouldn't be right to name the club(s) opting out until they have officially notified their own membership
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workerbee
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 882 |
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We still need to have Government approval for the use of changing and shower facilities, if clubs can open their bars with a kitchen to supply food, Travel restrictions such as traveling into higher tiers, One issue at higher levels will be the provision of Referees and assistants. I know the government released some information to the RFU last night so this will be made available shortly. However as many have said will clubs be able to pay players who are under contract with no income unless their sponsors are going to keep clubs going until next season. I am aware of at least one club in the North that has opted out to be ready for next season.
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1704 |
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Indeed Workerbee - given that clubs were given until 30th November to "opt in" the NCA should already be aware which of their affiliated clubs are noticeable by their absence
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Rabbie Burns
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3318 |
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Opting in wasn’t confirmation of taking part, it was about gauging interest
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1704 |
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Well I assume if you don't opt in then you ain't interested! It will be interesting to see how many "Aye's" and how many "Nay's" they have from their 48 clubs, all of whom will be semi-pro in one form or another and with different sources and levels of income
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Scrumtime
World Cup Winner Joined: 26 Aug 2020 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 830 |
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Thatbloke: Fully agree about the semi-pro comment.
But here is a couple of bigger question for you guys: 1/ How many National 1 and 2 players will play for the love of the club and not ask for a penny? 2/ What employer will let his members of staff run the risk of playing rugby on a Saturday and contracting Covid, this way. Because you must have a much higher chance than by not playing! Most peoples companies have had enough hurt this year with the shut downs, lock downs etc that this has given us. Without John Smith playing a game of adopted rugby on a Saturday, with a chance ( no matter how small) of him coming in Monday morning and giving it to all the other staff! Or even a teacher at school! It will be interesting to see what comes out about clubhouses, because the hospitality industry will be up in arms if you can have a pie and a pint at the local club, but the restaurants in that area remain shut!
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oneagainstthehead
World Cup Winner Joined: 04 Feb 2015 Location: West London Status: Offline Points: 724 |
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Ealing Trailfinders have their first match with spectators this Saturday. The clubhouse and bars will be closed with limited outside catering for food and hot drinks. I think that will be the pattern for COVID Tiers 2 & 3 clubs.
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Speak softly, but carry a big stick.
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Keppeltitan
First XV regular Joined: 13 Apr 2017 Location: Rotherham Status: Offline Points: 95 |
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Rotherham announced a couple of weeks ago that they were not going to play any rugby before next season due to the cost .
Basically same as most other clubs there has hardly been any income since March and as we are in tier 3 there is not much hope of any income.
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hills17
British and Irish Lion Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: South West Status: Offline Points: 226 |
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On one of the NCA updates it said 90% have shown an interest.
I’m guessing people will know or have an idea about their own clubs and whether they’re entering. We await with interest these next few weeks to see other clubs etc, whose there etc. Clubs will have done what is right for them. Not sure if this is bringing politics to the forum just wanting to comment on the restaurant next door in a non political way, true but rugby has had to wait since March. It’s nice to have this light at the end of the tunnel for rugby.
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Tiger Dome 2
World Cup Winner Joined: 27 Mar 2017 Location: Sheffield Status: Offline Points: 306 |
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Why would they not ask all the players to play for free / less to give something back to the club ?
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Scrumtime
World Cup Winner Joined: 26 Aug 2020 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 830 |
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2020: Very different world for players from 20 years ago when they would jump at the chance!
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billesleyexile
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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My brother plays for club (local level not remotely this high) while carpentering during the week. Got a call about this social rugby idea, 'well, thanks to lockdown and furlough I'm now working weekends to catch up'.... They're struggling to raise a XV out of their three sides at the moment. Now, depending on what these players are being paid to play at national 1/2 level, vs lost income (and the distances that some travel to play for their N1/2 sides, and you start to see why what's effectively emotional blackmail still might not stack up. There's (at least) 3 types of rugby player: - the amateur playing for the love of it -the pro, playing because obviously they enjoy it but they're paid to do it, it's their career - the most complicated one, the semi pro. Playing more for the love than the money, but at level 2 and 3 the money might be enough to explain why they flog up and down the motorways. I'm obviously not going to go into details, but through agent contacts I do know that there are already semi-pro players 'giving something back to the club' by choosing to play for them. Turning down more money because they like the set up where they are. But take away some/all of the money they are getting and it changes the dynamic a bit. No club can be blamed too much for deciding that it's not worth trying to do anything this season. I'm intrigued to see how many actually end up playing when it starts. |
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Thames Estuary Man
British and Irish Lion Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 205 |
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Don’t forget the young semi pro players who are putting themselves in the shop window, hoping for a pro contract. These lads have had a major setback to their careers this season.
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billesleyexile
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
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absolutely, should have been clearer that I meant at least 3 broad categories, lots of variation within them obviously. For those in that latter category it must be very disheartening, not least because, while it might scratch an itch, it's going to be difficult if not impossible to scout properly at matches of 'not quite rugby' played between two sides who've cobbled together a team each... I've got no problem with the new format, it's a good compromise and as the tiers allow (and assuming we're taking part) I'll be going to watch Mose playing it. But I think the fans and the players alike need to realise that it's very much better than nothing, rather than any kind of shop window as it might usually be. And if clubs or players don't want to/can't afford to take part, then we are where we are.
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keep the faith
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Raider999
World Cup Winner Joined: 18 Jan 2013 Location: Crawley Status: Offline Points: 4420 |
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I'm not sure clubs in Tier 3 areas will have the choice. With the passing of the deadline, I would have thought they would have at least announced groups by now? |
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Bunkermentality
First XV regular Joined: 06 Jun 2013 Location: Bucks Status: Offline Points: 77 |
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The Daily Mail seems to think that elite clubs can serve booze https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9005001/Fans-stadiums-EXEMPT-Tier-2-rules-demanding-alcohol-served-meal.html
So do Ealing Trailfinders http://www.ealingtrailfinders.com/news/bars-open-for-ealing-trailfinders-v-bristol-bears |
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Bill Sley
World Cup Winner Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
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Additional update regarding the NCA Cup competition DECEMBER 5, 2020 https://www.ncarugby.com/announcements/additional-update-regarding-the-nca-cup-competition/
The NCA has announced that the start of the cup competition will be delayed following the Government COVID announcement earlier this week. Given the RFU’s commitment to give clubs at least four weeks notice before competitive rugby can begin, the earliest start date would have been 16th January.......The start of the tournament will be delayed until at least February in order to allow every one an equal footing. |
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