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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sid James Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2020 at 08:34
All I can say is 'Volenti non fit injuria'.
My sympathies with your condition and personal problems but I would ask that please stop this claim as it has the potential to allow the 'PC/Sympathy voting' gang to get involved and ruin the game from which you made a living.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Dec 2020 at 10:58
Good points Marigold - problem is we realistically can't go back 40 years and the players are unlikely to shrink or indeed reduce their training load. 

I can't help feeling that in some way the game will have to clearly differentiate between the amateur and professional arms with some sort of "semi pro" level to provide a potential gateway to the professional game.

Perhaps the powers that be should consult with the likes of Mike Tindall who played at the highest level and yet has still turned out subsequently for his local team. He should be able to at least offer a few thoughts based on personal experience and I'm sure that there are others who could do the same?


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 10:23
Concussion in rugby: World Rugby 'stands with' former players in new welfare plan

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The plan, which World Rugby hopes will make it the "world's most progressive sport" in the area, includes:

  • Post-career care for former players
  • Head impact prevention
  • A welfare-driven law review
  • Focus on the women's game
  • Continued investment in education programmes
  • Ongoing engagement with "the rugby family"

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote isleonian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 19:16
As Sid James commented above "If you put yourself willingly in the firing line with full knowledge of possible injuries then if it hits you  tough sh1* my friend".

Question: when did American Football adopt helmets and all the protective gear worn by payers, and why?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 00:53
Originally posted by isleonian isleonian wrote:

Question: when did American Football adopt helmets and all the protective gear worn by payers, and why?


Surprisingly shoulder pads were created in 1877, only 8 years after the first ever American football match.  I guess that in the early days players were looking for every advantage they could get in the tackle.


There does not appear to be a comparable list for rugby players, but this 2018 article from Wales Online covers a number of match-related deaths in recent years.
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Sport is 'marking its own homework' on athletes' brain injuries, say MPs

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Sport has been allowed to "mark its own homework" on reducing the risks of brain injury, an MPs' inquiry says.

Its report calls for a standard definition of concussion that all sports must use, and a paid medical officer at every major sporting event.

It comes as the first study to scan elite rugby players' brains suggests one in four could be at risk of small abnormalities.

But the long-term effects on brain health are not clear, researchers say.

And they stress that there are many health benefits to taking part in sport, which must also be taken into account.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CJB1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 08:50
Tee hee ...

"The football helmet is a piece of protective equipment used mainly made so Tom Brady can't kiss other players on the lips. "
"What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2021 at 08:57
Originally posted by CJB1 CJB1 wrote:

Tee hee ...

"The football helmet is a piece of protective equipment used mainly made so Tom Brady can't kiss other players on the lips. "

That's not my edit......Evil Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Aug 2021 at 13:18
The article talks of 11,000 contact events a season, which is 30 a day every day of the year.
Most of those must be in training - and that suggest they are doing far too much contact training.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 2021 at 17:37
Players could drop out of game 'at all levels' unless there is change warns head injury foundation

Quote The findings of the BRAIN study mainly relate to those who played before the game turned professional in 1995.

While it found no link between concussion and the length of career, and the cognitive function in elite male rugby players over the age of 50, trends in those older than 75 suggested a link between more head injuries and an increased risk of conditions such as Alzheimer's disease.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 10:35
I imagine this will lead to more players going off for HIAs?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Oct 2021 at 11:34
Originally posted by Sid James Sid James wrote:

All I can say is 'Volenti non fit injuria'.
My sympathies with your condition and personal problems but I would ask that please stop this claim as it has the potential to allow the 'PC/Sympathy voting' gang to get involved and ruin the game from which you made a living.

Agree absolutely.

Stick your head above the parapet, expect some return fire. (no pun intended). 

I have limited sympathy for the individual players, to carry on playing after concussions (cf George North) is just f*cling stupid.

Caveat re undocumented injuries/unnoticed concussions. But, if you're off the pitch for an assessment and are told to stay off, give up the game, especially as everything is now out in the open. 

Volenti is certainly now triggered, no claims for new injuries.



Edited by FHLH - 31 Oct 2021 at 11:40
"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Steve Thompson on BBC Radio 4's Saturday Live

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Steve Thompson: England's 2003 World Cup winner, who has been diagnosed with dementia, regrets having played rugby

Rugby World Cup winner Steve Thompson talks to BBC Radio 4's Saturday Live programme about being diagnosed with dementia.

The Ex-England hooker Thompson, 43, is one of a group of former players suing the game's governing bodies for negligence.

They say repeated blows to the head are to blame for their dementia.

"I sometimes find myself thinking the least selfish thing to do is just to kill myself. That's what this can do to me," Thompson told the Mail this week.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 13:22
When did this first become apparent? With the advent of the professional, winner take all, aggressive game?
"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Apr 2022 at 13:33
Originally posted by FHLH FHLH wrote:

When did this first become apparent? With the advent of the professional, winner take all, aggressive game?

going to tread very carefully here because I've no intention of igniting a code war, but I think it was evident in 'punch Huckleberryly Pear' ex League players right back in the 50s (if not earlier) so probably. On the other hand, and this won't help those being diagnosed in their 40s now, go back far enough and most people were dying before they got old enough to get/show signs of things like this, so who knows? Maybe it has always been an issue in the pro and amateur games to a greater extent than we actually think.

I do worry occasionally that rugby (both codes) has got a pretty finite life left. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jul 2022 at 11:25
Ryan Jones: Ex-Wales captain reveals early onset dementia diagnosis

Quote Wales' Grand Slam-winning captain Ryan Jones has revealed he has been diagnosed with early onset dementia.

Jones, 41, won 75 caps for Wales between 2004 and 2014 and also played in three Tests for the British and Irish Lions.

The former back row said he had received the diagnosis of probable chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in December 2021.

Specialists told him he was one of the worst cases they had seen.

"I feel like my world is falling apart," Jones told the Sunday Times.

"And I am really scared. Because I've got three children and three step-children and I want to be a fantastic dad.

"I lived 15 years of my life like a superhero and I'm not. I don't know what the future holds.
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I suffered a concussion during a game in the early nineties. Didn't have a clue at the time how it happened but I was flat out for about a minute ( so I was told) and was helped off the pitch because I couldn't walk. At that time there had been a guideline issued to all clubs by the RFU which specifically stated that anyone who had been concussed should not be considered for selection for the next 2 weeks. I availed myself of this opportunity to rest which at the time was greeted with mixed views, which I don't think need explaining,
It was only a guideline at the time but what it does show is that, even back then, there was an awareness of this issue and I was not playing at a high level ( and never have ) at the time.  

The older I get, the better I was.
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