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I was under the impression that to keep the ball in play the player had to land in field after knocking the ball back infield 
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I see we might need to get Nigel Owens involved here.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I was under the impression that to keep the ball in play the player had to land in field after knocking the ball back infield 

I think, but am not 100% sure, that the rule is the player has to start on the pitch. Ie they can’t just stand off the pitch, jump and knock the ball into play. They can stand right on the touchline, jump backwards (so ball is off pitch) and themselves land off the pitch, but the weird lesser known part of the rule is they must be on the pitch when they make the initial jump
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I was under the impression that to keep the ball in play the player had to land in field after knocking the ball back infield 

I think, but am not 100% sure, that the rule is the player has to start on the pitch. Ie they can’t just stand off the pitch, jump and knock the ball into play. They can stand right on the touchline, jump backwards (so ball is off pitch) and themselves land off the pitch, but the weird lesser known part of the rule is they must be on the pitch when they make the initial jump

That I believe is the current interpretation of the Law. In this incident  the AR  appeared to make a "clear and obvious error" but no VAR in this league.
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

I was under the impression that to keep the ball in play the player had to land in field after knocking the ball back infield 

I think, but am not 100% sure, that the rule is the player has to start on the pitch. Ie they can’t just stand off the pitch, jump and knock the ball into play. They can stand right on the touchline, jump backwards (so ball is off pitch) and themselves land off the pitch, but the weird lesser known part of the rule is they must be on the pitch when they make the initial jump
Sounds about right.
(But if Cov's own Whistle Watcher disagrees, I'm fine wi that Wink).


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If a player jumps and knocks the ball back into the playing area (or if that player catches the ball and throws it back into the playing area) before landing in touch or touch-in-goal, play continues regardless of whether the ball reaches the plane of touch
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Originally posted by Puli. Puli. wrote:


If a player jumps and knocks the ball back into the playing area (or if that player catches the ball and throws it back into the playing area) before landing in touch or touch-in-goal, play continues regardless of whether the ball reaches the plane of touch

Not now.  He must land back in the field of play.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 18:51
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

There's an easy question in there - no touch should have been given, ref right to carry on with play. (assuming your facts are correct) The law in Rugby is very different from that in football.
On another point - perhaps Donny have had Eddie down for a secret coaching session to make sure they get rid of the ball as we all know now it's the team without the ball that wins games! 😂😂


I thought the rule had changed so that a player starting outside the field of play had to jump, catch the ball (not tap back in) and land in the field of play to prevent touch?
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If you want to watch the highlights of the game between Ampthill and Hartpury go to the following link:

https://www.ampthillrufc.com/

Unfortunately it does not show the catch outside touch incident but it it does show the sub being yellow carded.

Apart from that it is pure entertainment.
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There was a red card in the Ealing match, but I am yet to see any disciplinary outcome. Is this not mandatory?
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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

If you want to watch the highlights of the game between Ampthill and Hartpury go to the following link:

https://www.ampthillrufc.com/

Unfortunately it does not show the catch outside touch incident but it it does show the sub being yellow carded.

Apart from that it is pure entertainment.

  1. The ball is not in touch or touch-in-goal if:
    1. The ball reaches the plane of touch but is caught, knocked or kicked by a player who is in the playing area.
    2. A player jumps, from within or outside the playing area, and catches the ball, and then lands in the playing area, regardless of whether the ball reached the plane of touch.
    3. A player jumps from the playing area and knocks (or catches and releases) the ball back into the playing area, before landing in touch or touch-in-goal, regardless of whether the ball reached the plane of touch.
    4. A player, who is in touch, kicks or knocks the ball, but does not hold it, provided it has not reached the plane of touch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 11:36
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

There was a red card in the Ealing match, but I am yet to see any disciplinary outcome. Is this not mandatory?
The hearing for the red card and a related matter was held on Tuesday. 
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Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

There was a red card in the Ealing match, but I am yet to see any disciplinary outcome. Is this not mandatory?
The hearing for the red card and a related matter was held on Tuesday. 
 
Thanks CC - I checked the RFU site, and hadn't seen any outcome on there.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote corporalcarrot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 13:10
Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

Originally posted by corporalcarrot corporalcarrot wrote:

Originally posted by gerg_861 gerg_861 wrote:

There was a red card in the Ealing match, but I am yet to see any disciplinary outcome. Is this not mandatory?
The hearing for the red card and a related matter was held on Tuesday. 
 
Thanks CC - I checked the RFU site, and hadn't seen any outcome on there.
It often takes a while for the RFU to update these things but out of respect for the individual concerned its better imo to await the formal release of the result.
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Outcome of Apakuki Ma'afu's disciplinary hearing has now been released...





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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Outcome of Apakuki Ma'afu's disciplinary hearing has now been released...



Thanks  - I actually went to the England website to see if Owen Farrell was getting written up for the horrible headshot on Sam Olver, and realized that there was nothing on the red card yet. These write ups are very informative and transparent. I hope Dean Hammond recovers fully.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 18:01
Thanks to everyone who has contributed their input to the tap back into play issue, especially Rob C who I think the last option he listed might be the relevant one, although I am not sure what the "plane of touch" means.

But I am still uncertain about how an off the field substitute who gets yellow carded penalises the substitute's team apart from that substitute will now most probably not be used. Is that the extent of the punishment?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 18:11
Surely that should be team yellow card and player from the field should be yellow carded. This is similiar to yellow given on scrum infringements a card is given and  I assume the captain allocates a player to leave the field.

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In a scrum the ref should identify who offended and card them personally.
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