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    Posted: 02 May 2021 at 19:46
Cherub - any other year I would have said you should play them on the old pitch - but I suspect that is rock hard too, this year.

I am not sure playing at bowl helped Ampthill against Cambridge - I think you did better at ours. But it is such a great venue - unless you are playing in the middle of a named storm.  I recall the AR refusing to wear a tracksuit and claiming it would pass for a summer's day in Barnsley. We did get a rainbow though - but that photo was on my old phone.
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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

Whereas I appreciate CorporalCarrot's kind remarks about Ampthill, it has rather weakened my attempt to play mind games with Master Owen and his mates.
Amps result against Sarries doesn't really matter mate. They should just enjoy the match they have earned the right to play in. Once in a blue moon they will beat the top teams when your lads play out of their socks and the opposition fail to deliver and that's why you still hope. Amps are a cracking team and will leave nowt in the tank that day. 
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Whereas I appreciate CorporalCarrot's kind remarks about Ampthill, it has rather weakened my attempt to play mind games with Master Owen and his mates.
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I am flattered that Camquin feels the venue might make a difference .
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

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As for Farrell, imo he is the one of the most overrated players in international rugby that I can remember. Agree with everything written about him in “the blues” post. Seems to have forged a career by being angry, a slightly above average goal kicker (his stats are really not that different to G Ford) and playing behind the most dominant pack in European club rugby. Didn’t think he was very talented during his short tenure at Bedford and still don’t think he’s any more than a standard prem 10. Wouldn’t have had the career he’s had if he’s played for any other team and does not possess the natural talent of a Ford/smith/cipriani.

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Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

Of course the biggest test for Saracens comes in 2 weeks time when they take on the mighty Ampthill. I am hoping they put out their colts side as they are only playing a small junior community side from rural Bedfordshire after all.
I don't think any team will be daft enough to underestimate Amps in future. They play at the limit for the full 80 minutes and imo will win more games than they lose at this level. The match against Jersey yesterday was one of the most competitive matches I've watched in ages.
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Unfortunately at Sarries not in the Ampthill bowl.
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Of course the biggest test for Saracens comes in 2 weeks time when they take on the mighty Ampthill. I am hoping they put out their colts side as they are only playing a small junior community side from rural Bedfordshire after all.
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Farrell is a class act and I love his aggression and commitment, although it can get him into hot water sometimes. All the Sarries players were undercooked and probably should not have been picked for the 6 Nations. Looks like they're hitting their straps now and they did a pretty good job of overcoming a very strong Ealing outfit.
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At his best Farrell is a fine distributor and tactical kicker. I watched him play live against Wasps a couple of seasons ago and he ran the show.  
Now, whether his best is behind him or this Six Nations was a blip remains to be seen.
I think he's become a figure people love to hate whatever he does...
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The attributes/ skill set required at club level , international level and then the British Lions level are slightly and subtley different.
The attributes that Farrell obtains over Ford , Smith and Cipriani and in abundance is aggression and commitment . Some of his covering tackles ( this can also be a liability, yellows, reds, penalties ) have saved several trys and changed the balance of games. He lives right on the edge of being legal but his commitment is second to none. 
We have all seen the epic speeches by the Lions and anyone would think they were going into a battle of life a death . They call for the team to give way beyond the normal level of ' putting your body on the line '.

Farrells kicking ability, distribution and passing skills are almost secondary. I think he is picked time and time again for the above reasons.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.

Forget Billy. All of the others have a decent shout


Itoje - certainty
Farrell - poor 6 nations must be a doubt - certainly not a test starter
Mako V - below par, might make backups
Billy V - very poor - no chance in an area where Lions are strong
George - probable

I don't think the late start to the Championship did them any favours, cannot see playing in Championship will do a lot to influence Gatland so he will be going on 6 Nations form.  

You missed out Daly R999 - I’d say he was more at the ‘outside chance’ end of the spectrum, although his versatility in shirts 11/13/14/15 might count in his favour

The idea expressed earlier by someone else that some Saracens players might miss the second leg of the PO on 19 June is perhaps the most unlikely of all the contributions so far...



Yes I did, however after his poor 6 Nations form I have forgiven myself for not considering him in the Lions mix.

Daly shouldn’t be getting picked by England let alone lions. As for Farrell, imo he is the one of the most overrated players in international rugby that I can remember. Agree with everything written about him in “the blues” post. Seems to have forged a career by being angry, a slightly above average goal kicker (his stats are really not that different to G Ford) and playing behind the most dominant pack in European club rugby. Didn’t think he was very talented during his short tenure at Bedford and still don’t think he’s any more than a standard prem 10. Wouldn’t have had the career he’s had if he’s played for any other team and does not possess the natural talent of a Ford/smith/cipriani.
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.

Forget Billy. All of the others have a decent shout


Itoje - certainty
Farrell - poor 6 nations must be a doubt - certainly not a test starter
Mako V - below par, might make backups
Billy V - very poor - no chance in an area where Lions are strong
George - probable

I don't think the late start to the Championship did them any favours, cannot see playing in Championship will do a lot to influence Gatland so he will be going on 6 Nations form.  

You missed out Daly R999 - I’d say he was more at the ‘outside chance’ end of the spectrum, although his versatility in shirts 11/13/14/15 might count in his favour

The idea expressed earlier by someone else that some Saracens players might miss the second leg of the PO on 19 June is perhaps the most unlikely of all the contributions so far...



Yes I did, however after his poor 6 Nations form I have forgiven myself for not considering him in the Lions mix.
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Farrell obviously is a very good international player and has made the most of his talent through application, at his best he is very very good . .  but does not have any stand out qualities other than his steel nerve when kicking at goal.  His leadership talents probably get him selected rather than his other rugby talents if that makes sense . .  I think he will make the Lions as a squad player . . no to both Vunipola and poss George and Daly only because he can cover 3 positions but so can Nowell who I would prefer.
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Originally posted by The Blues The Blues wrote:

Personally I don’t think Farrell is an international player. He is a good goal kicker and leader are his qualities. Relatively solid in defence! I don’t think that is enough though.

As a 10 he doesn’t have the ability to make a break, or has any real killer pass or inventiveness with his play.

As a 12 he either isn’t big enough to be a crash ball and get over the gain line nor does he have any step or pace to beat his opposite number so you know he isn’t going to be much of a threat.

Very suspect tackle technique that's going to catch up with him soon
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Personally I don’t think Farrell is an international player. He is a good goal kicker and leader are his qualities. Relatively solid in defence! I don’t think that is enough though.

As a 10 he doesn’t have the ability to make a break, or has any real killer pass or inventiveness with his play.

As a 12 he either isn’t big enough to be a crash ball and get over the gain line nor does he have any step or pace to beat his opposite number so you know he isn’t going to be much of a threat.
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Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.

Forget Billy. All of the others have a decent shout


Itoje - certainty
Farrell - poor 6 nations must be a doubt - certainly not a test starter
Mako V - below par, might make backups
Billy V - very poor - no chance in an area where Lions are strong
George - probable

I don't think the late start to the Championship did them any favours, cannot see playing in Championship will do a lot to influence Gatland so he will be going on 6 Nations form.  
You missed out Daly R999 - I’d say he was more at the ‘outside chance’ end of the spectrum, although his versatility in shirts 11/13/14/15 might count in his favour

The idea expressed earlier by someone else that some Saracens players might miss the second leg of the PO on 19 June is perhaps the most unlikely of all the contributions so far...


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Originally posted by Brizzer Brizzer wrote:

Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.

Forget Billy. All of the others have a decent shout


Itoje - certainty
Farrell - poor 6 nations must be a doubt - certainly not a test starter
Mako V - below par, might make backups
Billy V - very poor - no chance in an area where Lions are strong
George - probable

I don't think the late start to the Championship did them any favours, cannot see playing in Championship will do a lot to influence Gatland so he will be going on 6 Nations form.
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Originally posted by cheshire exile cheshire exile wrote:

Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.

Forget Billy. All of the others have a decent shout
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Going back to the discussion about Saracens players’ availability for the Lions, how many do readers think will actually be picked?
Several were distinctly below par in the Six Nations.
I suggest Itoje is a cert, George highly likely and Farrell probable, but think that’s probably it.
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