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castleparknight
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Correct, Albert. Meddling for meddling sake is all it is.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Taffy
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We wait to see how much clout UEFA and the Football Association has!
Edited by Taffy - 20 Apr 2021 at 13:20 |
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stadium
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Government Meddling is to garner votes. All populist governments do it. Would they do the same if the PRL & RFU ringfence the Premiership doubt it not enough votes in it to bother.
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Pirate Pig
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After a meeting with clubs and officials of those not involved with the Super League "Downing Street said the prime minister told his meeting with FA and Premier League officials that the government "will not stand by while a small handful of owners create a closed shop".
I hope the government take the same robust action against PRL. |
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Mark W-J
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"While European Super League row gets ugly, Premiership Rugby stays silent hoping nobody notices" |
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Geoff DC
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We should all wriite or e-mail our MPs to ask that the Govt take the same action with any RFU/Premiership ringfencing proposals
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Raider999
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Have I missed something?
Has this forum now become a football one? Or has someone suggested a ESL for rugby? |
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Richard Lowther
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You are missing the arguments been put forward by the opponents of the European Super League that football is a meritious game, where on field success through promotion (and relegation) is fundamental.
Those same arguments apply in Rugby and should be used to stave off any threat of a Premiership closed shop of the biggest and richest clubs. |
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isleonian
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Doubt if can be replicated with rugby union, no english, scots or welsh sides strong enough for a really super duper sparkling euro league?
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CJB1
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"What I need is a strong drink and a peer group"
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Raider999
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I see and totally agree - never been a fan of any type of ring-fencing. |
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Steve@Mose
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An Irish Times article from June 2020. Premiership ringfencing is undoubtedly one part of CVC's grand plan.
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No 7
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The collapse of the football European super league proposal is huge for rugby and the move to ring fence the premiership. The level of opposition was incredible and forced a withdrawal.
Hopefully this will be recognised in rugby by the governing body.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Rob C
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I fear the difference will be that the premiership fans will be all for ring fencing and the government won't give a stuff...
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donnyladinsheffield
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I am afraid I have to agree. Proposals to ring fence have been made before and are tangible and the widespread condemnation that came with the ESL was conspicuous by abscence. Indeed you would find as many if not more articles in favour as against (this forum being a notable exception). Maybe ESL will have done us a favour and make people 'think again', especially those who advocate but I doubt it. Indeed it could mean they feel empowered to proceed knowing that it has not generated the furore ESL did.
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He's alright and he don't care; He's got thermal underwear
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islander
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Telegraph article today:
While European Super League row gets ugly, Premiership Rugby stays silent hoping nobody notices If the Premiership is determined to force through expansion and ring-fencing, it must walk through fire to get there - just look at football DANIEL SCHOFIELD DEPUTY RUGBY UNION CORRESPONDENT 20 April 2021 • 2:06pm In the unseemly rush to tap in the open goal of condemning the European Super League proposal – a scramble that included the Duke of Cambridge, Keir Starmer, James Corden and Dr Evil (probably) – there was nothing but silence from Premiership Rugby. Indeed, an edict from head office went out on Tuesday effectively gagging executives from discussing the matter with the media. Right now Premiership Rugby is sitting in its delicate house of glass, desperately hoping none of the stone-wielding mob notices its presence as it storms the gates of Anfield and Old Trafford. While the Super League is on an entirely different scale to the ring-fencing designs of many Premiership clubs, the accusations of rampant greed, trashing the integrity of the league and going against the wishes of the supporters will hit home as uncomfortably as a massage with a sea urchin. To be clear, the R-word has yet to be implemented. Relegation is suspended this season while a two-legged Championship play-off final will determine who becomes the Premiership’s 13th team next season, most likely Saracens. In a year in which clubs have made losses of around £10 million because of the pandemic, this was understandable, however the fear remains that this was always a Trojan horse towards the end of relegation. Once you have 13 teams then you might as well have 14 as you do not need any extra weekends to accommodate them. And once you have the 14th team, if they cough up an entrance fee, then you can quietly pull up the drawbridge for an arbitrary period. One proposal on the table is to suspend relegation until the 2024-25 season. This would have to be signed off by the RFU Council, which is a very different beast to the one a few years ago that considered ring-fencing anathema. The quiet confidence among some – but not all – Premiership clubs that the RFU Council would come on board may need to be reevaluated in the wake of the universal opprobrium that the European Super League has attracted. Clearly the prize for the top-flight clubs is more matches and more stability. The present system of one team falling down and bouncing back straight away means the Premiership was already a de facto 13-team league. The last team to break that stranglehold was London Welsh and look at them now. But if there is one lesson you can draw from recent rugby history it should be: tamper with competition structures at your peril. The prime example is Super Rugby. At the turn of the century it was the sport’s golden goose, continuously laying shining eggs. Yet its stakeholders could not resist fattening it up, increasing it from 12 teams to 14, then 15 and ultimately 18 teams in an unwieldy conference system at which point the goose collapsed under its own bloated weight. Similarly the Pro 14, soon to be Pro 16 with four South African teams, already looks like heading down the same messy path. The Premiership’s great selling point was always its competitive tension to the backdrop of raucous atmospheres, that every game mattered throughout the season. Remove relegation and you lose its USP. You only have to look at Worcester Warriors’ recent results – conceding 159 points in their past three games – to see what happens when you remove the peril of walking close to the trapdoor. What motivates the casual fan to turn up or tune in to another 50-point drubbing? It is too soon to say whether the backlash to Super League proposals will cause Premiership clubs to change course. But if they are truly determined to force through expansion and ring-fencing, then they will have to walk through fire to get there. |
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Steve@Mose
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Darren Childs steps down as Premiership chief after less than two years in charge
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WEvans
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Jobs/rewards for the boys. They could almost be MPs.
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gerg_861
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I'd assume that it is CVC letting him save face/buying him off so that they can get someone better in.
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Brizzer
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Gerg, I doubt that CVC do either of those things. As they are employing him it will be for a reason. If they wanted him out he would have left very quickly, by the back door, taxi waiting, personal effects to follow in a cardboard box. |
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