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    Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 14:52
We all know that caps are meaningless when it comes to Mr Wray's club.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 13:14
I believe there is a cap on the number of players in a Premiership squad.
I think what you mean is a smaller or meaningful cap.
It is currently 70 players.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jun 2021 at 12:13
Saracens are importing even more internationals, if you can believe the papers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Trailfinder Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 14:06
If you control the players then you control your fortune. There needs to be a cap in Premiership squad sizes and the RFU academies need to be made independent of the clubs. 
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Originally posted by Pappashanga Pappashanga wrote:

I thing Ealing put in a stupendous effort in the first half then ran out of steam. The Smid error was symptomatic of that. Just not used to playing at that intensity.

When you look at Ealing's games this season a lot of them were quite close at half time (this was certainly true when Pirates played them) then they overpowered the opposition in the second half. This was probably due to them having more depth in their squad than everyone else and were able to bring on high quality replacements. The tables were turned against Sarries who have international quality throughout. When Pirates beat Sarries in the first game they didn't have their six nations men, even though they still had 163 International caps in that squad. Pirates were almost at full strength and played out of their skins. As the season progressed we were decimated with injuries (especially in the backs) and didn't have the numbers in the squad to cope so lost a couple of games as a result. This, no doubt, was true for other clubs and with Covid, no income etc, it was always going to be hard for anyone to upset Ealing or Sarries. 
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I thing Ealing put in a stupendous effort in the first half then ran out of steam. The Smid error was symptomatic of that. Just not used to playing at that intensity.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Jun 2021 at 09:52
I am not sure how you can compare the two.

One is complete mismanagement of a situation by a bunch of geriatrics with too much interest in gin, leading to the pointless waste of millions - and the other is the First World War.
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Final thought, for the moment.

If Blackadders ‘Bob’ was at the RFU, she might say she wanted to see how a league was run, so badly. 
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Originally posted by marigold marigold wrote:

KB the contrived Championship season only happened because Saracens chose to be relegated rather than have their books looked into in more detail. Had they not been in the league only the Premiership would have taken place. Well done to Ealing for a much better 40 minutes than last week.

Now leaves Championship with 11 clubs. So ten home games, if a cup competition occurs, one group would be three not four, and RFU funding slashed.

Begs the question, are we elite or community?
If the latter, when did (without wanting to be misogynistic) become a lesser league to Premier 15s which I believe to be ‘elite’?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 23:09
That side would thrash most Premiership sides and trouble the top four.
Frankly, aside from South Africa, the All Blacks and France, I am not sure who could guarantee to beat it. England having the problem that it would lose key players.

But I agree Saracens needed to be seen to be punished, but commercially the Premiership needs Saracens - so they had to be given a route back.

Worcester, however, have been appalling all season - winning one match on the pitch iirc - and deserved to be relegated.
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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Still got a bad taste about this contrived season, no relegation from the Prem because of the covid affected season, but promotion allowed from the championship after a covid affected season 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Totally agree, it's a travesty.
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I was surprised and disappointed after the first half. But never mind playing a team with that quality I struggle to think of many that would have would have won it.
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Ealing collapse…..why?

I was also baffled.
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Well, that was a tale of two halves, wasn't it? I thought Ealing played quite well, while Saracens were incredibly sloppy in the first half. I'd have given Ealing a 7 out of 10, while Saracens would have gotten about a 3 out of 10 at most. The second half was quite the other way around, and a Saracens 7 out of 10 will crush an Ealing 3 out of 10.

I am not sure what happened in the second half to cause Ealing to crumble - given how quickly it happened, it wasn't really being worn down. I'd guess that the Saracens were read the riot act at the half, and responded.

Overall, strangely, the thing that I found most frustrating in this match was Rayn Smid not finishing that well-worked try. It was already over at that point, but it really sapped whatever energy was left, and let the scoreboard get quite ugly.

Also, I still can't figure out what was going on with Craig Hampson in both matches, glacially slow most of the time, to the point that he'd just stare at the ball while his team got pushed off it. I was literally yelling at my screen today on several occasions.
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Originally posted by KnightsBoy KnightsBoy wrote:

Still got a bad taste about this contrived season, no relegation from the Prem because of the covid affected season, but promotion allowed from the championship after a covid affected season 🤔🤔🤔🤔

This season should not have happened under the circumstances. We all know it happened just to get Sarries promoted. I expected Saracens to stroll the tie over two legs but a 100 point deficit isn’t ideal for our league. Mind you Ealing can’t really be blamed for that when you see what they’re up against. It is my belief that relegating Saracens was a mistake and that, for the sake of the Championship, they should have been given some other punishment but still retained their Premiership place. I would have banned them from Europe for 3 years and in that time they would have had to operate under a reduced salary cap in comparison to the other Premiership sides. Sarries would have still stayed up with this punishment because there’s a lot of teams at the bottom that don’t spend up to the cap anyway. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 19:21
KB the contrived Championship season only happened because Saracens chose to be relegated rather than have their books looked into in more detail. Had they not been in the league only the Premiership would have taken place. Well done to Ealing for a much better 40 minutes than last week.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnightsBoy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 19:07
Still got a bad taste about this contrived season, no relegation from the Prem because of the covid affected season, but promotion allowed from the championship after a covid affected season 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pappashanga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 18:41
Ealing were much better today. Ran out of steam after half time, but if they played every week at this pace would improve even more. notice the different demeanours of some of the Lions players after the game. No doubt thought the whole thing was beneath them. They're very young.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jun 2021 at 18:11
If they have promotion and relegation next season, Ealing must be favourites for promotion.
Even if they enforce a play-off, I think Ealing would compete with this season's Worcester.

Ideally they would have no relegation next season, but promote one Championship side to make fourteen.
As then, I think Ealing could stay up and another side - possibly Pirates - would have a chance of promotion the following year.
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Not a great result for the championship….. a hundred point deficit…. Cry

Let’s hope a lesser team is relegated next season abs they still allow a promotion pathway 
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