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gerg_861
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Does anyone?
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kempstonblue
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Even with 16 clubs, surely the 8 extra games would be replacing the 6+ that the cup offered.
Would more supporters turn out to extra league matches and different opponents? Of course without promotion the season end could be anti climatic. However at the bottom it would afford more than a single relegation which might sustain interest in the latter rounds. You might notice, in its current form, I have little love towards the Championship Cup.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Camquin
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Yes, tickets, pre-match lunches, beer and food sales, match sponsors, advertising space in the programmes plus the extra eyeballs on the pitch side and shirt adverts, so that helps sell those. But on the downside, more away trips, more match fees, possibly a larger squad to cover injuries. It is not a simple call. I was being flippant about fingers and toes - this one does need every team to develop a good spreadsheet to look at the alternatives, and the answer is going to be different for every club. So then you need to reach a consensus.
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JohnLowe
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We also need to think in terms of profit instead of turnover. The RFU funding is “profit” whereas an extra 6 home games may well give you an extra turnover of £60k but that won’t be all profit.
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kempstonblue
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For some clubs. attracting circa 2,000 supporters that means they need to make up £12,000. Or £6.00 of each ticket sold in that scenario.
For those on 1,000 supporters that might be riskier.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Camquin
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I suppose the question to be resolved is will the RFU fund expansion - or will adding teams mean each team gets less of a fixed size cake. Then the clubs need to take their socks off and count on their fingers and toes to determine whether the additional matches outweigh the loss of central income. If the championship goes form 10 to16 the funding would be cut form ~£160k to ~£100k but you woul have 15 home league games instead of potentially as few as nine. I do not think it is a simple calculation.
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castleparknight
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When you are beholden to a master that doesn't give time for planning further down it is difficult to point elsewhere other than there until such times as they make things clear and for a given period of time - at such a point Champs Clubs have work to do (as you say) - but if they do not know what is happening because the information has not been provided then what do they (Champs Clubs) base their plans on? and then as pointed out by many the impact on the tiers below has to be considered. If things are delayed long enough, no real effective decisions or actions can be taken by Champs Clubs or the tiers below so it just becomes a bigger shambles and feeds into preserving the PRL Cabal.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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kempstonblue
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The decision rests with Mags and Gloria the two cleaning ladies at HQ. They will announce things next week, but are asking as a consultancy fee, a new mop each, apron and rubber gloves. They also want to know who is not flushing the upstairs toilet.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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workerbee
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National league cannot sort what happens to promotion and relegation until the Championship decide their future numbers. Who will decide this? RFU or Championship?
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Halliford
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Not sure you can lay all this at the door of the RFU. Looking from the outside I would question what the Championship has been doing other than the Griffiths paper which seems to have been completely discarded. National League Rugby (formerly NCA) got their position sorted butwhat have the Championship Clubs been doing as a collective?
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castleparknight
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That is so very true WB - it is a shambles and this is the RFU's doing but of course they are doing it for the greater good of the game
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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castleparknight
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I saw them and thought I must be dreaming
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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workerbee
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Remember it is just not only Championship that needs to make decisions, At the end of the season Championship will be 10, with one promoted to Prem. Championship will have to decide on the size of their league for 22/23 - 10-12-14-16? This will impact on Nat 1 and below with either 0-2-4-6 being promoted. This needs to be decided before the start of the season, which is only 2 months away, what they are playing for which has been further complicated by reducing the number in the leagues below 2 to 14. Clubs will be bouncing around for the next 3 seasons.
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Kimbo
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See all those pink oinky, curly-tailed things up there? A whole effin squadron of them.
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castleparknight
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But lets be realistic, is it the 2nd XV? Are these guys pushing for a place in the Prem Clubs starting 23? I am inclined to think not, in most instances, but perhaps in a year or two. So either 4th choice, or Academy products looking for more game time. So even that is not a great model. So it is Sugar Daddy or mediocrity at best - and who wants that? I think we are just edging ever nearer towards the abyss, unless we discover some miracle cure for the malaise that has hit Rugby Union in England. One cure is vote out the RFU Board who are basically acting as puppets for PRL.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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islander
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Fixtures are due quite soon - week after next looking likely
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Cherub
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Nicely worded, kempstonblue. And continuing with the finance theme, it's like the building society saying you go out and buy your house and then we will tell you what mortgage you can have.
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kempstonblue
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And still no clearer what format the league will take. Reduced from 12 to 11. So funding slashed to £160k and one less home match?
It is either a sugar daddy who wants to throw away money. Or partnership with Premiership clubs and half your team being the 2nd XV of that club.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Cherub
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So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.
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gerg_861
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The last point is the best point. I am a professional negotiator in the City, and for a cash-strapped union, this was the perfect time to claw back power.
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