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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 04:19
As I recall the Championship is an RFU competition (isn’t it referred to as RFU Championship). Which was sold to clubs at the time as a new, professional restart to the league.

Even if the clubs wanted to exercise full control, would the powers in charge cut them off from the league? 


The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 01:36
Dont blame the RFU, it’s as much I decision among the Championship Clubs. Steve Lloyd doesn’t seem to have the control that Geoff Irvine did. Why does the RFU have to form a working group! Because the Clubs can’t sort it out themselves.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote marigold Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 19:35
TB not sure the RFU had any choice but to let the season happen with 11 given Nat 1 did not play last season. I hope over the next 1-3 years they increase the Championship to 14. 26 meaningful league matches far better for players/spectators than meaningless cup competition. The teams who come up into the league will be part time as are the majority of the league currently and I am sure they will be competitive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 19:08
You mean they've actually got "plans" - please share. It's a nonsense to let the 2nd tier go ahead with only 11 clubs meaning loss of both action and revenue. 12 or 14 just do it without having to check what the cleaner and bar staff have to say in every corner of the universe
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 18:11
Knowing the RFU Muppets I am surprised they haven’t written to RFL Championship clubs telling them the plans for 2022/23 season.

Edited by kempstonblue - 10 Sep 2021 at 18:12
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 17:28
Yes I am aware the RFL do a lot of tinkering but it's generally sorted out before the start of any new season. There IS an issue at the moment as to whether Leigh will be relegated. Due to Covid cancellations Leigh have played Wigan, StHelens, Warrington on multiple occasions (all top clubs) and have played far fewer against the lower ranked sides so it has been a skewed season that has worked against them, hence the discussion. 
Can you imagine the FA saying in August - "not sure how many Champions League spots there'll be, we might reduce/increase the number of clubs in the Prem, Championship and EFL 1 & 2 but we'll let you know in April" 
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

The Working Group reports in January 2022. Then their recommendation will go through the RFU Committee structure to the Council and be announced at some stage, hopefully before the end of the season.

Then why isn't any re-structuring based on this taking place for the start of the 2023-24 season? 

Silly question obviously as the answer is it's being organised by the RFU.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote billesleyexile Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 14:56
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

With respect - not a lot of use at the end of the season or in January for that matter! I can't think of any other sporting body that leaves its member clubs dangling in uncertainty to carry on playing treated with total disregard effectively not knowing where they have to try and finish to meet their objectives

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With respect - not a lot of use at the end of the season or in January for that matter! I can't think of any other sporting body that leaves its member clubs dangling in uncertainty to carry on playing treated with total disregard effectively not knowing where they have to try and finish to meet their objectives
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:58
The Working Group reports in January 2022. Then their recommendation will go through the RFU Committee structure to the Council and be announced at some stage, hopefully before the end of the season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thunderbird Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:57
Those in power have to justify their existence. Oh and their big pension pot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Stalwart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:22
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks 14 teams per league isn't the way to go so why the delay. We've had years of supposed "wide-ranging consultations" so just make an effin decision so everyone knows where they stand (Oh sorry we all know that anyway don't we - a nuisance and an irrelevance!) 

Well put, that's it in a nutshell.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:14
I haven't spoken to anyone who thinks 14 teams per league isn't the way to go so why the delay. We've had years of supposed "wide-ranging consultations" so just make an effin decision so everyone knows where they stand (Oh sorry we all know that anyway don't we - a nuisance and an irrelevance!) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ParkBench Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 13:10
Does anyone know if going to 14 has finally been laid out as the plan to be voted on in January 2022? Is it a best guess or has anyone seen a paper / proposal? I can't find anything concrete online.

It seems mad that National 1 teams haven't been formally notified what the prize is in terms of number of teams going up, if any. Not knowing how much any promotion might be worth is of lesser importance given how much the figure has come down in recent years.

14 teams per league across the top 4 tiers would nicely balance the pyramid and help entrench the set playing weekends.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 09:25
All the fixed costs, like ground maintenance, do not get halved.
Income was presumably much below half.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cherub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 09:06
Originally posted by Raider999 Raider999 wrote:

Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.


Yes, but don't forget they only played half a season.


True. But they then had to pay for all the additional COVID-19 costs.
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Who would pay for the cost of opening Twickenham. Playing more games against the same opposition would be counter productive especially for the teams at the lower end of the league. However to avoid a meaningless cup competition I would suggest a 14 team league.


I agree, 14 teams would fall in line with all the top levels. Bin the cup nobody takes it seriously anyway.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 2021 at 08:10
Originally posted by Cherub Cherub wrote:

So each club was promised a severely reduced sum of £288k but have only received £160k. Mmmm. What a cracking business model for each club to base their futures on.


Yes, but don't forget they only played half a season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2021 at 09:45
Who would pay for the cost of opening Twickenham. Playing more games against the same opposition would be counter productive especially for the teams at the lower end of the league. However to avoid a meaningless cup competition I would suggest a 14 team league.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2021 at 23:49
One solution is keep the number of teams low but to play every other team three times.
Perhaps with one round as a festival at a central venue like Twickers with five games over a weekend. 
So with ten teams you would get 13 away, 13 at home and one neutral game. 

It is patently better than having a cup and playing some sides four times - but the fans know those games do not count.



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