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Scrumtime
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Im sorry to say just a quick shirt through other clubs in National 1 don't paint a pretty picture. I think the RFU needs to do some proper digging on the whole lot. OEs could just be the first of many I feel. Blackheath's balance sheet reads .. - £480 k. that's £60k worse off that Oes .. wonder if the RFU has a closer look at them? Cambridge chairman posted on their web site this time last year they were £40 k away from being bust, yet they only pulled £20k of that in on their crowd funder They also managed to sign 15 players ( 8 of which were for the 20/21 season that never happened)in the course of the last year and claimed Furlough for many.. how they got away with that? Leeds had the £800k CVA reduced to £80k and wrote off £720 k of debit Chinnor have all their eggs in one basket, what happens if Rectory homes go? There are many in National 1 that have problems, time for either the RFU to act now or start to filter some CVC money down. You cannot expect to play National 1 rugby as a club and get no funding. I seem to recall it was £125 k less than 5 years ago, its now nothing. In Div 1 football (level 3) in 19/20 season the average for each club was £1.35m...that was without TV money! |
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Thatbloke
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Enough said - Previous comments by various posters fully justified
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workerbee
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OE's first XV is a limited company and as such lodges the annual accounts with Companies house for all the see and it is very clear by their 19/20 accounts they were in trouble.
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castleparknight
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You lost for words Rothman2? You have some quality players joining you from Donny, and I fully intend to pop on over whenever the fixture list - if this matter had been addressed sooner your Team would no doubt still be in Nat 1 (which is a glorious league in my opinion) and we could be hoping for a return to our derby matches.....maybe two years time when you bounce back.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Rothman2
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Rothman2
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Raider999
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Record crowds at EFL this week - probably due to the fact Premier League doesn't start until 13th August. I am fully aware that the league didn't finish, but I don't see any other club's supporters bleating about it. Fully agree with you over the farce of Championship playing a few games just so the cheats could be promoted - I wonder what they would have done if the other teams had followed L Scottish example and not played, there again the answer is obvious - promote the cheats by default. |
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Rothman2
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Thatbloke
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I'm not sure how much we can rely on a posting from another club's website but if true then surely the deadline imposed by the RFU should have been the date where it would still be possible to rejig the Leagues as necessary ie Roth being reinstated to Nat1.
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Halliford
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Just seen this on the Rosslyn Park website:
"It appears that the final nail in their coffin was an ultimatum from the
RFU, who had been working with the club to try to salvage the
situation. The club had consistently assured the RFU over a long
period that they had another major sponsor in the offing. However,
the RFU became increasingly concerned that the club would be
unable to meet its financial commitments and imposed a deadline
last week by which the club was required to provide a written
assurance that they would be able to meet those commitments. It
failed to do so."
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Camquin
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Had OEs withdrawn before 1st June, Rotherham would have been reinstated and so on down the pyramid. As it is, National 1 carries on with 15 sides. All clubs lose approximately one fifteenth of their revenue, possibly less, as OEs did not have a lot of travelling support - except Moseley, who were due to play them at home in the pre-Christmas match and so lose a very lucrative fixture. I was surprised they were not playing Blackheath for that one. While this is offset somewhat by reduced match fees - the income from a home match should cover two sets of match fees, travel and make a contribution to fixed costs. So I expect all sides to be out of pocket, Moseley more so than most. The players still expecting to play for OEs have not had a chance to find other clubs. Players at the other 15 clubs will lose two sets of match fees. Obviously, I do not have visibility of the goings-on at OEs. It could be that on May 31st, they honestly thought they had a new sponsor lined up, and believed they could finance a season. Then by July 1 it fell through, and they started talking to RFU finance. I wonder if it would be possible to arrange a Barbarians fixture for Moseley? |
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Raider999
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Rotherham finished in the bottom 3 and were relegated - end of. OEs National League side was bankrolled by 1 benefactor who unfortunately died. Without his money they would not have attracted the calibration of player who got them promoted through the leagues to Nat 1. No sympathy for them at all. However I hope the rest of the club survives and the OE name continues at whatever level their highest remaking 15 currently play at. There is no way they should start at N1 or even N2 level. Other clubs have disappeared down the pyramid over the years and have worked (Richmond) or are working (London Welsh, East Grinstead, Haywards Heath) their way back up - treating OEs any different could open up the possibility of legal action from those clubs or others. |
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WEvans
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It wasn't inevitable a year ago. Likely maybe but not inevitable. An awful lot can happen in a year as we have all seen. Plenty of clubs rely on a "sugar-daddy" and continue to exist year after year some even changing sugar-daddies along the way. Of course it isn't ideal but it happens. Other clubs move from a "sugar-daddy" to a more sustainable ownership model. Yes their results tend to suffer in the short-term but they continue in the league. Some clubs have even chosen to field a team based on lower league players to fulfill fixtures even though it meant losing every game. Quite simply it wasn't inevitable no matter how many times you might say it was.
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front5
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I think its fair to say the majority if not all, are dismayed and annoyed/upset by some poor management. I feel for Rotherham as they are the ones who are the most hit.
Agreed some clubs may have purchased train tickets etc, however if they have done so on a non-refundable basis taking into account the last year. I must say I think this is again poor management and would only say it is their own fault. It seemed on the face of it OE's were a community/family club and from their website it seems this decision as much as it has had the above effect will not effect the community rugby element of the club. I think we should all be able to have some credit towards OE's for this as ultimately the number one outcome should be always be the rugby; if kids, juniors, colts etc are being looked after, despite the sacrifice of the first team I am all for it. However I am still of the opinion they should start from the bottom of the pyramid from next year.
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Camquin
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The cut-off is June 1st. The statement said they had been working with the RFU finance for the past month. Which would mean, starting in July. I do think that all clubs should submit in May, a simple declaration that there is no reason why the club cannot complete the following season, signed by the officers.
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tigerburnie
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I thought the RFU had been involved, for how long before this announcement, who knows, are they also at fault with the lateness of this statement?
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Rabbie Burns
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There is a review as Rams fell foul of the beaks a couple of seasons ago
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So many Christians not enough Lions
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Camquin
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I thought clubs had to submit a business plan for the season before the deadline for being replaced? If this has gone by the wayside, perhaps it should be brought back.
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Raider999
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Agreed, their future was questioned on this forum but any problem was denied by officers of the club. The writing was on the wall from the moment their sugar daddy unfortunately passed away. As others have said they should continue at the level their next highest side is currently down to play at. There is no case for them being in N1 or N2 next season. |
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Robb
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Haywards Heath did it once the Thursday before the season started a few years ago. But any club that holds out this long knowing they cannot complete the season, thus blocking teams from being reprieved, is disgraceful
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