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Redted
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I hear there are 2 clubs at National 2 level that are thinking about withdrawing for a season and another In Nat 2 South that have said if they cannot afford to travel they will not.
I find the las bit of that slightly worrying as the club they would no doubt choose not to travel to is Redruth! Assuming that is the case then we (or whoever) would be hit twice, cost of away travel (with no RFU travel money) and then no balancing income from the home fixture.
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Thunderbird
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Could be any one of three.
Barnstaple Guernsey Redruth
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It is the Canterbury chairman who says they will travel if they can afford it.
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Canterbury to Redruth is one of the longest trips in English sport. It is further than Canterbury to Darlington. Of course, Redruth make trips nearly that long most weeks. But assuming RFU do the sensible thing of dividing level 4 as North, South East and South West - then unless both get promoted, it will not happen again. Redruth will still probably have of the longest travel - some things are immutable.
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I think when the new leagues are formed there is a possibility of Chester v Redruth. The dividing line between the "North" and the South East and South West is very high and could even include Manchester Clubs.
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Camquin
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True - but the idiocy of the reorg is another subject and I have ranted on that before.
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U and me both Camquin!
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Camquin
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I note:
I could read that to mean no level transfer at levels 4,5,and 6. But we have not seen definitions of the league boundaries, so how would we know.
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The re-org will result in a plethora of level transfers every season - every version of my mapping of the new structure has clubs playing in leagues they had no idea they could be in. Withdrawals and appeals? U aint seen nothin yet!
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Camquin
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The problem is that you cannot guarantee that the relegated teams come evenly from the supporting leagues. There are only two solutions, level transfer or changing the numbers relegated from the lower leagues. Teams hated not knowing if they would be relegated, so they introduced level transfers, but it increases travel. If the aim is to reduce travel - the logic says no level transfers.
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Camquin
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The problem is that you cannot guarantee that the relegated teams come evenly from the supporting leagues. There are only two solutions, level transfer or changing the numbers relegated from the lower leagues. Teams hated not knowing if they would be relegated, so they introduced level transfers, but it increases travel. If the aim is to reduce travel - the logic says no level transfers. But would clubs live with that.
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So the hotel has been withdrawn? Is there not a flight back after the game?
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It will be a very interesting exercise to follow the journeys of some of the individual players who leave these clubs.
Some clubs are very cash rich at the moment due to a deluge of available grants. Local authority hospitality grants, RFU funding, Sport England funding, plus their own crowd funding scams sorry I mean schemes. Some even furloughed players so that is very much cash in the bank for the relationship with the squad. Let’s see if some clubs are struggling because they are being picked off by circling vultures and offering what the struggling clubs can’t
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Not sure if anyones mentioned it but Haywards Heath will be operating with a side at Sussex 2 this year, not sure if they always planned to run a team at that level or not, but they will have a team at that level.
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Monkey Boy
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The Manchester case is a good one.
Even if the hotel costs were funded why should someone playing community rugby be expected to be away for a whole weekend? Obviously some lads would enjoy it but others simply couldn’t do it. Unless there’s a better solution then unfortunately Douglas can’t take any part in any competition that wants to keep its integrity
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Camquin
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Technically, you can fly out of Manchester in the morning and then get the ferry back to Heysham at 7pm - but you will not be home until the small hours. A long trp, but the mainland clubs make the trip once a year. In a normal year many sides would see it as a chance for a bonding boozy weekend. If the Man sides do not play in the pyramid, who would they play?
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The interesting point about Isle of Mann sides is that they are all connected to Cheshire County, even though they would fly to either Liverpool or Manchester. Outside the pyramid would be impossible for the leagues that were created came from all the Lancashire clubs who did not want to travel to Cumbria or IOM. The island clubs are the only ones who get any travel allowances even though travel to the south is probably more expensive Liverpool to London by train is £3000 for the squad plus travel in London and no overnight allowances. The Northwest now has vert few clubs in the RFU leagues at Level 7 and more are moving into the newly formed Lancashire leagues (including Cheshire clubs) so the bottom of the pyramid is gradually collapsing. In some ways it is better for these clubs as there is no incentive to buy success and move up and the fixtures at these levels are more like those the clubs played before league rugby and the clubs are benefiting by developing more sides. Perhaps we are at the beginning of a Post League era.
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Camp Freddie
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CC, there are a few issues with the travel here. I understand that the Logan Air flight returns about 20 minutes after its landed. I have heard that later in the year EasyJet may start a service to the IOM but thats to be confirmed and again, airlines won't stay on the ground waiting for 15 lads to play a game of rugby. An evening ferry to Heysham in January is not my idea of a Viking River Cruise. Teams like Penrith, Kendal & Carlisle have upto 3 hours each way on a coach to the airport. The monies for travel funding were 5 times over applied for with applications over £1m. Workerbee, all mainland clubs travelling to the IOM get a flat £2000 to help with travel costs but when you factor in a coach to and from the airport it is nowhere near enough. |
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Camquin
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The sad thing is that the reorganization could have solved some of these issues by cutting down the numbers playing in the pyramid and returned most sides to county leagues. The proposal I put on the table - done on a fag packet admittedly - right back in the beginning when AGR first came out which did that. I submitted it to them then and again in this round, but did not even get an acknowledgement that they got my email. |
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Camp Freddie, both Easyjet and Loganair sell singles. so depending on timing, it might be possible to fly out on one and back on the other. But that has its issues as they probably go from different airports. I have long said that the RFU should provide travel funding to permit all clubs to play first, and only after that provide any other support to clubs - especially the premiership. If the premiership wants ring-fencing, even temporary ring fencing, it should not need to rely on the RFU for funding. |
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