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    Posted: 27 Oct 2021 at 17:33
World 12s: World Rugby "do not wish to explore concept further"

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A revolutionary 12-a-side competition planned for next year appears to have been killed off by World Rugby.

The World 12s was launched in September with organisers pledging to generate £250m of income to the game.

After consultation with stakeholders, World Rugby "do not wish to explore the concept further at this time".

A World Rugby spokesperson said the sport's priority was "advancing discussions" on a "harmonious annual international calendar".

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However, sources at World 12s have told the BBC they are not yet "raising the white flag" and say the issue is more around the timing of the fledgling tournament than the concept itself.

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Backed by luminaries such as World Cup-winning coaches Steve Hansen and Jake White, the World 12s hoped to launch next August in rugby's equivalent of the Indian Premier League.

But the announcement blindsided the game's authorities, while it is also understood CVC - the capital equity giant which has a commercial foothold in the Premiership, the United Rugby Championship and the Six Nations - were also not consulted and do not support the venture.

The tournament - due to be held in England - was intended to take place across three weekends and feature 192 of the world's best players, picked via auction to represent eight franchises.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bigmal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 16:42
I watched the Bristol v Harlequins semi last season - difficult to top that in entertainment terms!

In that game the Quins back three exploited the space in the S half BUT also denied Bristol another 2/3 tries in the first. Quick ball and explosive running defeated power and bulk.

Cut the subs and slim the players down and the 15 a side game is excellent...
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Which is a missed opportunity.
Although that should IMO have been done using 10s.

However I understand whilst 10s is only 10min each way. 12s is 15 each way.

World Rugby should look at both and try to build on one or the other. Could 12s work as a longer match, 20 or more mins each way? Or the 15 minutes might be effective, when allowing for stoppages, waiting for a dead ball could add 5 minutes each way.

Across Europe, could use international teams as per Rugby Europe 7s series, or maybe nations  like Germany, Netherlands, Belgium could bring two sides into a tournament?
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Absolutely agree!! 
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This isn't a proposal to help the development of the game in anyway it is just a desperate attempt to create a new rugby format that they can take ownership of and flog broadcasting rights to netflix or amazon etc. I would be embarrassed to associate my name with it or Ian Ritchie.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 04:36
Would prefer a push to market 10s.

Recall it suggested 10s has the speed of 7s, with a few more pieces of the full game.

Some European nations Germany a prime example seem to be doing well at 7s, but not able to get stability at XV. From my limited knowledge of 10s n a TV show some years ago, was to build on skills.

During Tokyo 2020 the IOC President was at the 7s. It is a format he thinks is good for the Olympics. However he seems keen to see Rugby in more countries, and maybe in those nations 7s and 10s offer more than the slower pace of 15s.


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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

Go to eleven, allow infinite substitutions, perhaps permit one forward pass per play.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 21:40
The national unions need to behave exactly as UEFA did towards their proposed rebel league. Kill it off early by threatening players with bans from national selection.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Runitback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 20:42
No thought for player welfare . . it might be a fun game, I played vets 10's and loved it but we have two great games . . 7's and 15's . . .strangely if you reduce the number of replacements in RU, 5 for injuries only, the game will become more open and less attritional  . . so more fans! JUST Market the game better!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Monkey Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 17:51
People like Ian Ritchie have already done enough damage through sheer greed and should be chased harder than ever from the game.

Capitalism is slowly but surely killing everything off on the planet and it’s attitude towards sport is right up there with everything else
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 17:04
Agree completely Bin Licker - just fiddle with the format to come up with something that makes money so we can plough it all back into the National teams and top Leagues. Couldn't give a monkeys for anything below the elite
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bin Licker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 16:59
Rugby league crossed with 7s. Beware the thin end of the wedge!
Cannot summons up the interest to even read the small detail. Already too much mediocre, meaningless rugby over playing the players without this dross.
The downward spiral continues.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve@Mose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 16:11
Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Exeter boss Rob Baxter raises concerns

Interesting to see however Steve Hansen backs it.

More interesting to see who is paying for Steve Hansen's support. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 14:37
Originally posted by Steve@Mose Steve@Mose wrote:

Exeter boss Rob Baxter raises concerns

Interesting to see however Steve Hansen backs it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 11:31
Go to eleven, allow infinite substitutions, perhaps permit one forward pass per play.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote front5 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 10:04
Ad a player and we almost have rugby league? 

I wonder if it is less to bridge 7s - 15s gap and more towards creating a clearer cross over pathway between the codes 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Albert Fishwick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 07:47
Six forwards eh? Why does that ring a bell?
That's easy for you to say.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 22:25
We are all for player welfare, unless we can make money.
All the unions are broke, so while this should be squashed, it will be welcomed with open arms.
We already have 7s, 10s, do we need 12s.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 22:03
Looking forward to see what comes of this.
IMO 7s is a class game that needs it own governing body, not seen as much 10s, 12s could be interesting - believe 15s has got way too comfortable in its ways, and perhaps this is the sort of coporate event it needs to get it's act together, can see so much potential with this in the 7s game. I wish the 12s event all the best. 
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