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dropout22
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Posted: 26 Oct 2021 at 22:16 |
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I believe it's a guarentee of 5 years worth of money. The club will have substantial facilities to develop a core home grown squad with the facilities/programmes available to them now. |
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castleparknight
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One question: What happens when Mr Gooley is no longer with us? I assume that there is some form of Trust established to continue his legacy, otherwise that land is on prime development territory and would sell for an astronomical sum, one would guess, would they Ealing Rugby Club be able to relocate somewhere nearby if this were to happen? In my opinion Ealing are very lucky to have Mr Gooley, and I suspect that there would be many a club that would be very happy to be in a similar position. As for us, Doncaster Knights, our home Castle Park is facilitated by a limited company Castle Park Ltd who administer all of the facilities including conferencing, weddings, parties, sporting events etc. something that I am very proud of and encourage local folk to look to utilise when planning events. One day, if the rugby gods are smiling, perhaps we shall be in a position to play in the Premiership and then we will still be able to have one of the best grounds in the league but at present we shall remain content in the knowledge that we have one of, if not the best, grounds in the Championship.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Camquin
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Who actually owns Sixways or Sandy Park? Tony Rowe's SW Comms seem to have sponsored Exeter forever, and Worcester's links with Cecil Duckworth's Worcester Bosch also lasted a very long time.
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No 7
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It is unique where I stated Mike Gooley not only owns the sports ground but also owns the company that have sponsored Ealing for 22 years.........that is unique and not comparable to any other club.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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Camquin
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The Soccer premiership is looking to ban related party sponsorship. This is to ensure financial fair play - the risk being that the owner hides the fact they are financially supporting the team by disguising their payments as inflated sponsorship deals. This is mainly to stop the Saudis supporting Newcastle, but would also affect Manchester City. If it came into rugby, I think it would essentially prevent any owner from bringing another club up. Both Worcester and Exeter have been adverts for their owners companies, Worcester heating and SW Comms. As are Ealing with Trailfinders. Further down the pyramid, Old Elthamians and Secure Trading are in the same pattern, though their sponsor did not own the club. However, it seems clear that he was paying more than the market value. |
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Cricks at 2
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That then makes us Blues the best supported has beens in British Rugby. 😇
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No 7
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Well said Gerg
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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gerg_861
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Really enjoyed the interview from Steve Hill of Richmond in the Rugby Paper today. He of course said that ambitious clubs should have a clear path to the Premiership, but I particularly like his quote about Ealing. "Ealing deserve their day in the sun, even if it is only a day." As a fervent Ealing supporter, I hope that they are able to get promoted and win a long term place, but at the very least I'd like to see them have a season or two in the Premiership - it's better to be a has-been than a never-was.
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Mark W-J
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There's a big difference between those those examples - which are purely for sponsorship reasons - and Ealing, which is part of the Trailfinders stable. Newbury weren't called Vodafone Newbury, but they were completely reliant upon the sponsorship money, and almost collapsed when they pulled out.
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The Blues
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It’s not that unique to be owned by another business. The following have had their sponsor name in the team name. Mike Gooley like everyone won’t be around forever and new owners may have different ideas and plans. To truly stay in existence the club needs to be self sufficient at their level with then any extra investment being the difference from lower/middle table to upper end. Earth Titans - aka Rotherham Titans Pertemps Bees - aka Birmingham SolihullOrrell - effectively owned (via Dave Whealan) by JJB sports which also owned Wigan football club Bristol Shoguns - Mitsubishi NEC Harlequins Should have added that SW Communications are/were (can’t remember if they still are) were the driving force behind Exeter along with a land sale to Tesco from which they have built a more sustainable rugby business.
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No 7
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Bedford Bear
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Don’t forget the infamous John Gurney of Luton Town who acquired Bedford Blues for £1 from boxing promoter Frank Warren in 1999 and promptly sacked head coach Rudolf Straeuli and cut salaries. He then attempted to merge Bedford with Coventry Rugby and rumours feared he would move it all to Ashford, Kent. Such was the feeling in the town a buy-out consortium representing supporters and businessmen presented its plans to the rugby authorities then put them to the supporters at a meeting at the Goldington Road ground on a very highly charged Thursday evening. Gurney finally agreed to sell the club back to local business people after the English Rugby Partnership blocked the move to Coventry's Coundon Road.
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Bedfordian
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[I was not fully aware of the Bedford Blues experience in the top flight and where the finance came from . I read a few articles / reports that I found on the internet. I now fully understand the bitterness / warnings given towards others with similar ambitions but there are major differences in circumstances]
Every team who comes into money thinks that their situation is fool proof! Good luck. |
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The Blues
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Missed out the bit about having 2 “interesting” owners in between for a very short amount of time!
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The Blues
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From what I can recall. We had a bit of a dream team with lots of up and coming stars but ended up having to borrow players from Worcester from the league below to fill in the gaps when players started to leave. There was pretty much a Blues player in every other Premiership club at the end. We generated crowds of 5,500 + and this was late 90s We then came down after 2 years to ND1 without any players or coaches and had to rebuild from scratch having raised hundreds of thousands of £‘s in a few days from Bedford people and other rugby fans to save the club.
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I was not fully aware of the Bedford Blues experience in the top flight and where the finance came from . I read a few articles / reports that I found on the internet.
I now fully understand the bitterness/ warnings given towards others with similiar ambitions but there are major differences in circumstances. |
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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No 7
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We're doomed.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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marigold
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In many ways Ealing are already the next Exeter considering where they started from and what they have in place currently. My concern is that after winning the Championship-I do not think they lose another match- this season they will simply not be anywhere near competitive next season. Worcester are currently woeful and were the same last season yet have a stack of current and past international calibre players. Bath and L Irish have tremendous international calibre squads but are struggling for any wins. Where are Ealing going to get/afford players of that quality to even get close to one win. By the end of this season they will have achieved Mr Gooley's dream-I hope it does not turn into a nightmare
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Bedfordian
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I agree, there will not be another "Exeter" for a long time. Before them and ever since, clubs have come into money in one form or another, London Welsh, Bedford, Rotherham to name a few. They tried to buy their way into the big time. Eventually a blip means they have to retreat, some lower down the leagues, some altogether.
Exeter had a long term plan, yes they have had cash, but they built organically and slowly with a team of local talent which stayed together and became good enough to stay in the Premiership until they were established and could buy extra talent. If Ealing keep the money coming in (and using the facilities every day will not fund a premiership team) then they stand a chance, but sadly it will be very similar to the names above and if they cannot build alongside the money a sustainable model and it will fail.
Edited by Bedfordian - 20 Oct 2021 at 12:19 |
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Cherub
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Many rugby supporters have a main team to support, whatever the division they play in, but many are not prepared to travel to the away games. And as there is nothing to compete with watching a live game, they look around to see who is playing nearer to home. It is well known that I support Ampthill but I live near Ilkley on the West/North Yorkshire border. So I have adopted Wharfedale as my local team to watch. I was there on Saturday to witness a creditable draw with Hull Ionians. But when Wharfedale play away I have a choice of going to see Harrogate play, or Leeds Tykes now they are playing in Bramhope. I could even go to Otley or Ilkley.
London and Birmingham supporters will be the same. So, if Ealing go up to the Premiership, of course they will attract more support at first, but it will depend on their results there. If they lose their matches support will dwindle, and the attendances at away games like Sale, Newcastle, and even at the south west clubs won’t be great. I cannot therefore see Ealing being the next Exeter. Cornish Pirates have a better chance. I then look down the leagues to see if anyone is on the rise. Bourneville stood out. But then in the last few weeks Bourneville scored over 60 points at home to Wharfedale. Then Wharfedale beat Blaydon. And then Blaydon beat Bourneville at Bourneville last Saturday. Crazy. So I don’t think Bourneville will be the next Exeter either. I think we are at least a decade away from another Exeter. |
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