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Although there is plenty of support for a 14-team Championship, there's a general acceptance that this isn't realistic for 2022/23 - hence the recent clarification to N1 clubs about 1 or 2 going up.

But as discussed, there is a frustratingly long list of uncertain factors, some already mentioned:
  • could Leicester have the book thrown at them as per Saracens & go down?
  • will Ealing win the Champ & be able to meet minimum standards & 'entry fee' to the Prem?
  • if not Ealing, are any other Champ clubs in a position to go up?
  • might London Scottish leave & join the semi-pro league north of the border?
  • what happens regarding relegation down from N1 & promotion up from N2?
It's definitely not a satisfactory situation, but the perception among NL clubs that most of the above is "all the Championship clubs' fault" isn't really accurate IMHO...
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In 2008/9 - when Championship went from 16-12 and National 1 from 14 to 16, there were no play-offs and only two up.  That season, there were four teams relegated from National 2 (as was).

As there was only ever a plan to promote two teams, I do not see any reason to change that mid-season.
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Presumably in future years it will be 3 down from N1 and the 3 champions oat N2 being promoted?
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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

Despite receiving the notification from the RFU confirmed by NCA secretary, nothing has appeared to confirm this from Championship clubs who were discussing the options and appeared to favour 14 team league. However there is still a glaring issue which has not been addressed for any club in the lower part of the league at present, that of relegation. If two go up leaving Nat 1 a 13 team league, then there are two options , 1 down and two up , just the league champions or 2 down and three up. Option one has been done before with only 2 up and no play off at level 4. this happened when the Championship went to 12 teams. 
Surely clubs need to know as it is half way through the season.




12 team league in Champioship means 1 of current 11 up to Premiership + 2 up from Nat1
14 team league in N1 means 2 of current 15 up to Nat1 - 3 up from N2S/N as normal leaving 2 to be relegated as OEs are the 3rd down from N1

I cannot see any reason to deviate from the norm.

As for Championship sides favouring 14 sides shouldn't they have been vociferous on this prior to the RFU decision?
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So at the start of the season the position was;

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Level 3: subject to Regulation 5, the top Club in Level 3 shall be promoted to Level
2 or, if notified by the Committee, the second to top Club in addition to the top
Club;
(c) Level 4: the top Club in each Level 4 League will be promoted to Level 3 or such
other number as notified by the Committee in order to effect the league sizes set
out in Regulation 13.2.4;

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b) At Level 3 the bottom three (3) clubs will be relegated or such other number as
notified by the RFU to the Clubs;


We expect two teams to be promoted, to bring the Championship back to 12.
My guess is one team (plus the ghost of Old Elthamians) down and two up, one from each league.
But we do need confirmation from the Committee.

Of course, the prospect of Leicester being relegated shakes everything up.
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Despite receiving the notification from the RFU confirmed by NCA secretary, nothing has appeared to confirm this from Championship clubs who were discussing the options and appeared to favour 14 team league. However there is still a glaring issue which has not been addressed for any club in the lower part of the league at present, that of relegation. If two go up leaving Nat 1 a 13 team league, then there are two options , 1 down and two up , just the league champions or 2 down and three up. Option one has been done before with only 2 up and no play off at level 4. this happened when the Championship went to 12 teams. 
Surely clubs need to know as it is half way through the season.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.

My first thought,. Either top up funding or dilute existing. The former won't happen and the latter uncomfortable.
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OE'S dropped to the bottom  league I  thought not one league. 
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Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

What about relegation in Nat 1.

Should be as normal - bottom 2 and OEs?
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What about relegation in Nat 1.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.

While awaiting to see an official release, I think this is RFU release. The delegates from Championship clubs might not have agreed this.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.
Which implies that there is worthwhile funding to share outside the Prem.
I really don't think it's much of an issue nowadays
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It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.
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So it is a temporary measure?!! Why , this just makes a mockery of stable structured seasons, there will be another re arrangement in two years .
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I understand the proposal is for the Championship to move to 14 teams by the 24/25 season but the mechanism by which that happens hasn't been agreed. 12 is a temporary measure.
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

So all these months, the RFU (?) went back to the format every Championship supporter and it seems clubs didn’t want.

What did you expect? Eff You is in their name.
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So all these months, the RFU (?) went back to the format every Championship supporter and it seems clubs didn’t want.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Means there will be relegation.
And it means they will have to arrange another cup - but that is their problem.
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Well at least they have made a decision.

Now we can only hope the leagues below (which have been decimated by Covid this weekend ) actually manage to finish the season.
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