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Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

On Paper Nat 1 next year could include Redruth , Plymouth and Taunton good trips for the Northern Clubs. 

Thats fine but the issue will be what do Exeter do?  they fill Plymouth and now Taunton, throw Redruth in and even Exeter do not have enough pups to go into 3 national 1 sides. Although Cornish P seem to be helping Plymouth out 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 14:26
RFU have just announced that the Championship will be a 12 team league for 22/23 and subject to the top club achieving ground criteria then 2 sides from Nat 1 will be promoted , if that club should fail then the Premiership will remain at 13 and only  1 side will be promoted. At present Ealing are the team most likely to get promoted from Championship and I would presume that they have passed all the requirements to enter premiership. For some reason, which someone will explain,  the Championship did not go for a 14 team league to bring it in line with all other national Leagues including the Premiership, perhaps it is to do with funding. 
At present there is no application from London Scottish to move leagues, perhaps they are happy to drop through the leagues until they arrive at a league commensurate with their budget. 
With only two maximum being promoted this will leave Nat 1 with 13 so relegation will come into play , possibly 2 down and 3 up or 1 down and 2 up , the winners of each league with no play off. This is still to be decided. 
This decision has come out, with no comments from the two working parties from the Championship , who I believe were in favour of 14 team league.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gerg_861 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 14:30
Originally posted by workerbee workerbee wrote:

RFU have just announced that the Championship will be a 12 team league for 22/23 and subject to the top club achieving ground criteria then 2 sides from Nat 1 will be promoted , if that club should fail then the Premiership will remain at 13 and only  1 side will be promoted. At present Ealing are the team most likely to get promoted from Championship and I would presume that they have passed all the requirements to enter premiership. For some reason, which someone will explain,  the Championship did not go for a 14 team league to bring it in line with all other national Leagues including the Premiership, perhaps it is to do with funding. 
At present there is no application from London Scottish to move leagues, perhaps they are happy to drop through the leagues until they arrive at a league commensurate with their budget. 
With only two maximum being promoted this will leave Nat 1 with 13 so relegation will come into play , possibly 2 down and 3 up or 1 down and 2 up , the winners of each league with no play off. This is still to be decided. 
This decision has come out, with no comments from the two working parties from the Championship , who I believe were in favour of 14 team league.   

Just curious where you've found this? I couldn't find it anywhere?
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Email Received from RFU-

Promotion from National One - confirmation for clubs

Distribution list: National One Clubs – Chair, Honorary Secretaries, Directors of Rugby


In response to understandable concerns, among National One clubs about possible season outcomes as we near the half-way stage, we would like to confirm the process for promotion from National One to the Championship at the end of the 2021/22 season. The Championship will revert to a league of 12 clubs, and there are two possible scenarios:

• If the winner of the Championship meets the Minimum Standards Criteria and is promoted to the Premiership, this would leave 10 teams in the Championship and therefore the top two clubs from National One will be promoted to the Championship.

• If the winner of the Championship does not meet the Minimum Standards Criteria and therefore is not promoted to the Premiership, this would leave 11 teams in the Championship and therefore only the winner of National One will be promoted to the Championship.

There has been some speculation in the press as to London Scottish leaving the Championship and playing in Scottish leagues. There has been no formal application for this, and there are no plans for this to happen.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 19:28
Well at least they have made a decision.

Now we can only hope the leagues below (which have been decimated by Covid this weekend ) actually manage to finish the season.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 2021 at 23:36
Means there will be relegation.
And it means they will have to arrange another cup - but that is their problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 04:55
So all these months, the RFU (?) went back to the format every Championship supporter and it seems clubs didn’t want.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 08:20
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

So all these months, the RFU (?) went back to the format every Championship supporter and it seems clubs didn’t want.

What did you expect? Eff You is in their name.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote quercynomad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 08:45
I understand the proposal is for the Championship to move to 14 teams by the 24/25 season but the mechanism by which that happens hasn't been agreed. 12 is a temporary measure.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 09:58
So it is a temporary measure?!! Why , this just makes a mockery of stable structured seasons, there will be another re arrangement in two years .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 10:25
It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 10:30
Post removed - misread original! 



Edited by Thatbloke - 18 Dec 2021 at 10:54
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 11:54
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.
Which implies that there is worthwhile funding to share outside the Prem.
I really don't think it's much of an issue nowadays
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 13:33
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

It does seem they cannot find their elbow with both hands and a map.
The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.

While awaiting to see an official release, I think this is RFU release. The delegates from Championship clubs might not have agreed this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 15:24
What about relegation in Nat 1.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raider999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 15:48
Originally posted by kingsheathlad kingsheathlad wrote:

What about relegation in Nat 1.

Should be as normal - bottom 2 and OEs?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kingsheathlad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 16:45
OE'S dropped to the bottom  league I  thought not one league. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 2021 at 17:09
Originally posted by Camquin Camquin wrote:

The cynic in me says they did not want to share the reduced funding.

My first thought,. Either top up funding or dilute existing. The former won't happen and the latter uncomfortable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote workerbee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Dec 2021 at 14:35
Despite receiving the notification from the RFU confirmed by NCA secretary, nothing has appeared to confirm this from Championship clubs who were discussing the options and appeared to favour 14 team league. However there is still a glaring issue which has not been addressed for any club in the lower part of the league at present, that of relegation. If two go up leaving Nat 1 a 13 team league, then there are two options , 1 down and two up , just the league champions or 2 down and three up. Option one has been done before with only 2 up and no play off at level 4. this happened when the Championship went to 12 teams. 
Surely clubs need to know as it is half way through the season.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Camquin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Dec 2021 at 15:14
So at the start of the season the position was;

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Promotion
Level 3: subject to Regulation 5, the top Club in Level 3 shall be promoted to Level
2 or, if notified by the Committee, the second to top Club in addition to the top
Club;
(c) Level 4: the top Club in each Level 4 League will be promoted to Level 3 or such
other number as notified by the Committee in order to effect the league sizes set
out in Regulation 13.2.4;

Relegation
b) At Level 3 the bottom three (3) clubs will be relegated or such other number as
notified by the RFU to the Clubs;


We expect two teams to be promoted, to bring the Championship back to 12.
My guess is one team (plus the ghost of Old Elthamians) down and two up, one from each league.
But we do need confirmation from the Committee.

Of course, the prospect of Leicester being relegated shakes everything up.

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