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    Posted: 15 Feb 2022 at 08:56
I'm really confused as I saw this the other day, yet Blues tweeted last night that our final game away at Scottish is "rearranged" to March 19th????
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The last round of Championship matches pushed into first weekend of April due to CoVid delays. The Cup starts April 9th.

Depending who you are season ends weekend April 2nd or sometime in May.


RFU Championship: Final round of fixtures pushed back after Covid-19 delays
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60323361

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Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

The Raging Bull Shield works pretty well & runs with a bit more flexibility than RFU leagues, I'm not sure a dedicated 2nd XV league would be any better, trying to shoe-horn a diverse collection of clubs into a set format.

Jersey made the error of beating Richmond Saxons 25-21 at home in October... setting up a trip to the RAG last w/e, when the Reds lost 75-12 to the Vikings. But we don't tend to have many such mismatches...
A saxons team, that should really have been called a Club XV!. As players were drawn from across all the club's teams. Their backline consisted of 5 forwards and 2 backs by the end of it. 
How many teams have come over this season to play Athletic?

It's been tricky this season, with various Covid measures in place at the border until earlier this month. They didn't stop teams coming, but presented extra challenges in terms of people being vaccinated, tested on arrival etc - a lot of people of rugby-playing age weren't double-jabbed until late 2021, by which point we had the Omicron wave rearing up. It should get easier now, with several clubs lined up for trips during March and April...
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Athletic Fixtures & Results 2021-22 - Jersey Reds

For completeness also worth noting Ladies:


Edited by corporalcarrot - 09 Feb 2022 at 10:51
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

The Raging Bull Shield works pretty well & runs with a bit more flexibility than RFU leagues, I'm not sure a dedicated 2nd XV league would be any better, trying to shoe-horn a diverse collection of clubs into a set format.

Jersey made the error of beating Richmond Saxons 25-21 at home in October... setting up a trip to the RAG last w/e, when the Reds lost 75-12 to the Vikings. But we don't tend to have many such mismatches...
A saxons team, that should really have been called a Club XV!. As players were drawn from across all the club's teams. Their backline consisted of 5 forwards and 2 backs by the end of it. 
How many teams have come over this season to play Athletic?
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The Raging Bull Shield works pretty well & runs with a bit more flexibility than RFU leagues, I'm not sure a dedicated 2nd XV league would be any better, trying to shoe-horn a diverse collection of clubs into a set format.

Jersey made the error of beating Richmond Saxons 25-21 at home in October... setting up a trip to the RAG last w/e, when the Reds lost 75-12 to the Vikings. But we don't tend to have many such mismatches...
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Would it be a league?
To cut travel, would you invite National 1 or Premiership clubs? Using a regional league system?
I just think potentially you would be better with a smaller competition that provides good competition for these squads wider playing group, but dosen't put too much pressure on them should injuries or any other issues arise. 
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Nice idea but how on earth do you fund all that? Players would still have to contracted and the travelling costs would be huge - if you are advocating the same teams competing then whatever its costing you now x 2!
So the away trips to Jersey currently happen already as mentioned in the Raging Bull Shield. 
Richmond, Ampthill & Jersey all play each other with the same travel costs. Potentially we can create double headers where 1st and 2nd XV's play each other on the same day. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dropout22 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 2022 at 15:39
Originally posted by Isithalftimeyet Isithalftimeyet wrote:

Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

"Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s" 
I put this very point on our local forum Knights Boy. 
I believe that part of Bedford's problems lie in the fact we are making 5-7 changes every week (can't all be for injury or illness?) seemingly to accommodate Saints recalling players - Litchfield, Grayson, Tupai, Iyogun, etc.


Do we do ourselves any favours not running a Wanderers side anymore?
We have a squad and it seems rotate players, but surely players sometimes need games not days off shopping.

Ampthill, Bedford Ath, Swifts all run second teams. (Or more) Queens don’t seem to this year. Biggleswade appear to be running three teams.
I would love to see a championship 2nd XV competition as such, perhaps "The Championship Shield" having the likes of Richmond, Ampthill, Jersey and however else at L2 would like to join competing.
When part/time i believe running a 2nd XV is really a very good idea.
Ampthill, Richmond and Jersey already have teams in the Raging Bull Shield which is a well run and well established competition.

The league is full of mismatches, Wimbledon 2nd XV should not be playing Richmond 2nd XV. I agree the league is run well, but you cannot have a National 3 2nd XV play a Championship 2nd XV or even 3rd XV.
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Would it be a league?
To cut travel, would you invite National 1 or Premiership clubs? Using a regional league system?


You could have 4 groups, North, Midlands, South East, Sout West - each ten plays each other home and away with the top 2 of each group progressing to a knockout stage.

The groups could have between 6 and 8 teams in each - entrants could come from Premiership, Championship and possibly N1 - I am assuming some clubs wouldn't enter so N1 clubs would be needed.
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Originally posted by dropout22 dropout22 wrote:

Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

"Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s" 
I put this very point on our local forum Knights Boy. 
I believe that part of Bedford's problems lie in the fact we are making 5-7 changes every week (can't all be for injury or illness?) seemingly to accommodate Saints recalling players - Litchfield, Grayson, Tupai, Iyogun, etc.


Do we do ourselves any favours not running a Wanderers side anymore?
We have a squad and it seems rotate players, but surely players sometimes need games not days off shopping.

Ampthill, Bedford Ath, Swifts all run second teams. (Or more) Queens don’t seem to this year. Biggleswade appear to be running three teams.
I would love to see a championship 2nd XV competition as such, perhaps "The Championship Shield" having the likes of Richmond, Ampthill, Jersey and however else at L2 would like to join competing.
When part/time i believe running a 2nd XV is really a very good idea.
Ampthill, Richmond and Jersey already have teams in the Raging Bull Shield which is a well run and well established competition.
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Would it be a league?
To cut travel, would you invite National 1 or Premiership clubs? Using a regional league system?
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thatbloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Feb 2022 at 13:45
Nice idea but how on earth do you fund all that? Players would still have to contracted and the travelling costs would be huge - if you are advocating the same teams competing then whatever its costing you now x 2!
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

"Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s" 
I put this very point on our local forum Knights Boy. 
I believe that part of Bedford's problems lie in the fact we are making 5-7 changes every week (can't all be for injury or illness?) seemingly to accommodate Saints recalling players - Litchfield, Grayson, Tupai, Iyogun, etc.


Do we do ourselves any favours not running a Wanderers side anymore?
We have a squad and it seems rotate players, but surely players sometimes need games not days off shopping.

Ampthill, Bedford Ath, Swifts all run second teams. (Or more) Queens don’t seem to this year. Biggleswade appear to be running three teams.
I would love to see a championship 2nd XV competition as such, perhaps "The Championship Shield" having the likes of Richmond, Ampthill, Jersey and however else at L2 would like to join competing.
When part/time i believe running a 2nd XV is really a very good idea.
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Scottish vs. Ealing from round 14 now rearranged for March 5th, 3pm kick off.
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Originally posted by Greg Greg wrote:

"Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s" 
I put this very point on our local forum Knights Boy. 
I believe that part of Bedford's problems lie in the fact we are making 5-7 changes every week (can't all be for injury or illness?) seemingly to accommodate Saints recalling players - Litchfield, Grayson, Tupai, Iyogun, etc.


Do we do ourselves any favours not running a Wanderers side anymore?
We have a squad and it seems rotate players, but surely players sometimes need games not days off shopping.

Ampthill, Bedford Ath, Swifts all run second teams. (Or more) Queens don’t seem to this year. Biggleswade appear to be running three teams.
The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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"Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s" 
I put this very point on our local forum Knights Boy. 
I believe that part of Bedford's problems lie in the fact we are making 5-7 changes every week (can't all be for injury or illness?) seemingly to accommodate Saints recalling players - Litchfield, Grayson, Tupai, Iyogun, etc.

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Originally posted by Donnyknightfan Donnyknightfan wrote:

Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Not many teams will hold Bedford to a nil score line, very disappointed that the knights never got the BP. The Blues made us work very hard today, our defence was just more solid

Donny should have got the BP win. It might just be me but I thought Bedford were very poor. Their defence was the only positive from their performance, without some good scramble defence the Knights could have easily scored 40-50 points. Bedford offered virtually nothing in attack and were camped in their half for most of the game. I’ve rarely seen a Blues team look so toothless in attack. On the rare occasions they did string some good play together they knocked on. Such a contrast to the team that should have beaten us at Castle Park last season. 

Could this poor performance be down to a lack of a settled team, they lost at least one of saints boys, Litchfield aged in the u20s
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Originally posted by castleparknight castleparknight wrote:

Not many teams will hold Bedford to a nil score line, very disappointed that the knights never got the BP. The Blues made us work very hard today, our defence was just more solid

Donny should have got the BP win. It might just be me but I thought Bedford were very poor. Their defence was the only positive from their performance, without some good scramble defence the Knights could have easily scored 40-50 points. Bedford offered virtually nothing in attack and were camped in their half for most of the game. I’ve rarely seen a Blues team look so toothless in attack. On the rare occasions they did string some good play together they knocked on. Such a contrast to the team that should have beaten us at Castle Park last season. 
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