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    Posted: 05 Feb 2022 at 13:06
Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

Chester could escape the South West dependent on who finishes Top3 in Midlands Prem eg Newport(Salop), Bridgnorth, Bromsgrove are all well south of Chester OR maybe Loughborough Students (the most southerly of current Nat2 North - Bournville are technically further south but probably nailed on for South West) were Level transferred to South East and the most westerly of the South Eastern clubs gets shunted sidewards into South West( no idea who that would be??) 


It could be Worthing or Henley - it has nothing to do with being most westerly, but is in fact calculated by taking the shortest combined mileage to the other teams in the division. A proviso to this is that if the difference is within 5%( I believe the number is correct) then they are treated as equal and the side that finishes the lower the previous season would make the move (as happened to Leicester Lions a couple of years ago when technically Hinckley were slightly shorter but within the buffer and finished ahead of Leicester in the table)
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Chester could escape the South West dependent on who finishes Top3 in Midlands Prem eg Newport(Salop), Bridgnorth, Bromsgrove are all well south of Chester OR maybe Loughborough Students (the most southerly of current Nat2 North - Bournville are technically further south but probably nailed on for South West) were Level transferred to South East and the most westerly of the South Eastern clubs gets shunted sidewards into South West( no idea who that would be??) 

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Strange comment.  Effectively what you're saying is that if the RFU had drawn these boundaries in 1871 then it would have been natural for Chester to play in the 'West' region, but because they drew different boundaries 150 years ago it's unnatural to put clubs in new regions today.

And yes, I get that Redruth to Chester is a bloody long way, but it's the same distance as Redruth to Canterbury, which is a 'natural' fit.


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Originally posted by Mark W-J Mark W-J wrote:

Originally posted by Bin Licker Bin Licker wrote:

Chester playing in Cornwall? RFU really must have been on the sauce to come up with that one.

Back in 2007-08, Luton played National Three South following a level transfer.  Had they remained in the North - which, being a Midlands club, is where they should have been - they'd have been playing Tynedale and Darlington MP.  No matter where you draw the boundaries, there will always be teams close to the edge who will feel hard done by.


However as a Midlands team that would have been their natural position (travelling north) you cannot say the same for Chester
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Originally posted by Bin Licker Bin Licker wrote:

Chester playing in Cornwall? RFU really must have been on the sauce to come up with that one.
Back in 2007-08, Luton played National Three South following a level transfer.  Had they remained in the North - which, being a Midlands club, is where they should have been - they'd have been playing Tynedale and Darlington MP.  No matter where you draw the boundaries, there will always be teams close to the edge who will feel hard done by.
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Whenever you draw geographical lines there's always one or two clubs on the extremeties that will be hard done by. Obviously the finishing positions come April will be different from the ones they used for illustration purposes but I would still expect some anomalies and perhaps an appeal or two (which will obviously fail!) 
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Originally posted by Thatbloke Thatbloke wrote:

SurreyRugby - you are more or less correct in your assumptions although final number of promotions will need to be tweaked once we know the future of London Scottish and Championship numbers are finally confirmed
Bin Licker - Nat2 will be made up of North, South East and South West which is meant to mean less travelling but when illustrative leagues based on 2019/20 final tables were circulated it produced some weird computations (eg Chester in South West) 
Chester playing in Cornwall? RFU really must have been on the sauce to come up with that one.
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Originally posted by SurreyRugby SurreyRugby wrote:

I read this week that the Championship is limiting its numbers to 12 teams next season. is this correct?
As far as I'm aware, it hasn't been officially announced, but the COO of Bedford basically confirmed it on this week's Championship Clubs Podcast.
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SurreyRugby - you are more or less correct in your assumptions although final number of promotions will need to be tweaked once we know the future of London Scottish and Championship numbers are finally confirmed
Bin Licker - Nat2 will be made up of North, South East and South West which is meant to mean less travelling but when illustrative leagues based on 2019/20 final tables were circulated it produced some weird computations (eg Chester in South West) 
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Given how tight it is at the top I wondered how the League table is arrived at which is as follows

If two or more Clubs have the same number of League points at the end of the Season, final league positions shall be determined firstly by the number of wins achieved, then the number of draws and then on the basis of match points scored. 
 (i) A Club with a larger number of wins in the League shall be placed higher than a Club with the same number of League points but fewer wins. 
 (ii) A Club with a larger number of draws shall be placed ahead of a Club with a fewer number of draws. 
(iii) If Clubs have equal League points and an equal number of wins and draws in the League then a Club with a larger difference between match points ‘for’ and match points ‘against’ shall be placed higher in the League than a Club with a smaller difference between match points ‘for’ and match points ‘against’. 
(iv) Should two Clubs have the same number of League points and an equal number of wins and draws, and the same match points difference, a Club having scored more match points ‘for’ shall be placed higher in the League than a Club having the lesser number of match points ‘for’. 
 (v) If this still does not establish the positions then the Clubs involved shall be ranked according to the number of matches won, excluding the first League match of the season. If necessary, this process shall be extended to exclude the second match, third match and so on until the final positions are established

So the top 3 all have 13 wins but Hertford lead thanks to the draw.  Sevenoaks are 2nd due to the points diff but they have played CS twice. If North Walsham win their spare game they would probably stay 4th as they have a lesser points diff than Dorking

After the anti-climax of 2019/2020 this could be a humdinger of a finish  
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I am sure it has been discussed at length before but do we have any idea on what the geographical areas will be for the 3 National Leagues?
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I read this week that the Championship is limiting its numbers to 12 teams next season. is this correct?
If this is the case, and Ealing get promoted, then:
1. 12 teams in Championship next year means 2 go up from Nat 1
2. This leaves 13 in Nat 1, which means only 1 team goes up. does this mean the winners of Nat 2 North and South play off??
3. If the above is correct, that leaves 31 teams in Nat 2 leagues. If there are 3 leagues of 14 in the new structure, that makes 42 teams at this level, meaning there are 11 promotion spots from the 4 Premier Leagues.

does this all make sense?
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Originally posted by WESTCOMBE RANGER WESTCOMBE RANGER wrote:

Fair comment Fez Ant 
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There are also 2 rearranged games that WP have preceeding those quoted just to add some extra spice.
1. WP v Sevenoaks 5.2.22
2. North Walsham v WP 26.2.22 
Well spotted WR. I was going from pre-season fixtures and overlooked the re-scheduled games. Even more interesting.
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The most interesting one will be the last game of the season, Sevenoaks at home to Hertford, could it be first against second, or even more crucial second against third?
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Fair comment Fez Ant 
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There are also 2 rearranged games that WP have preceeding those quoted just to add some extra spice.
1. WP v Sevenoaks 5.2.22
2. North Walsham v WP 26.2.22 
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Originally posted by SurreyRugby SurreyRugby wrote:

Hi. I was at the dorking game. WP are a very different side. They played well and made it tough for dorking. I have no doubt that 15 vs 15 the result probably would have gone dorkings way. I didn't see the sending off either. The problem is that the refs do not have the benefit of TJs. The other issue is that a lot of the refs have just left school. They are tossed into difficult games. I guess it builds their experience for greater things.

Not making excuses for D's defeat on saturday as I thought WP were really up for it from the ko. and the early signs were ominous. WP were feisty, and fuelled with intent and stopped D's getting into a rhythm. Cant believe I also missed the red card (was re-fuelling at the bar), but it is what it is. No good complaining about refs as this is not our sport and I dont like to see it. We have to get on with it. We might need to reflect on our discipline. Having just lost a key front row for 3 weeks for indiscipline, (he returned saturday), it now seems we await the same fate for our lock, and whatever the cause or mitigation it happened, and this is not what we need entering the final 3 months of the season.
In support of my team I must add that we have had a few key players missing for various reasons (injuries mainly) but Dorking will not panic. We are joint top of 3 and I can see this season going right to the wire. It will be interesting as I did say in an earlier post that IMO WP would have a say in the outcome of the title. How about these games in the coming weeks???

Westcombe Park v Hertford - 19.2.2022
North Walsham v Sevenoaks - 5.3.2022
Havant v Hertford - 12.3.2022
Dorking v Sevenoaks - 26.3.2022
Wimbledon v North Walsham - 26.3.2022
North Walsham v Dorking - 2.4.2022
Dorking v Wimbledon - 9.4.2022
Sevenoaks v Hertford - 23.4.2022

Plenty of ups and downs to come.


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i thought the referee in the Hertford Dorking game was pretty good, I read the Dorking report on the game and didnt see anything that was written that was negative against her.  Finally I thought that the Dorking report was a very good refection of the game, except that he did get the sequence of scores wrong in the second half, it went 12-0, 12-5, 19-5, 19-10.
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Originally posted by PM009 PM009 wrote:

Hi WESTCOMBE RANGER, I saw you play Sevenoaks and it wasn’t good. I have been impressed with the recent run of results, not least turning over Dorking last week, all the best Thumbs Up
Against Sevenoaks, we were pants !! 
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Hi WESTCOMBE RANGER, I saw you play Sevenoaks and it wasn’t good. I have been impressed with the recent run of results, not least turning over Dorking last week, all the best Thumbs Up
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