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workerbee
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 May 2009 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 886 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 11:09 |
How Long will it be before the supporters paint themselves with blue woad and dance naked shaking their spears and shields. Surely this will not upset the local Celts
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No 7
World Cup Winner Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Location: LONDON Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 16:04 |
I have always thought that it was chosen to represent a warrior attitude and to associate with bravery against all odds.
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Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.
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billesleyexile
World Cup Winner Joined: 20 Jun 2013 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1855 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 16:57 |
No, as said, lots of Devon teams called their 1st XV the chiefs once upon a time. Exeter are just the highest profile and decided to run with it. It's just 'chief side' as in 'top side'/'first team'
Edited by billesleyexile - 28 Jan 2022 at 16:59 |
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keep the faith
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All the Way
World Cup Winner Joined: 21 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 548 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 18:04 |
Quite right, well said!
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Robb
World Cup Winner Joined: 24 Jan 2017 Location: South East Status: Offline Points: 1490 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 20:41 |
I guess they can then keep the tomahawk chop and call it the spear shake!
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Richard Lowther
Coaching staff Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6528 |
Posted: 28 Jan 2022 at 22:49 |
I struggle to understand the attitude "that if I'm not upset by something, then it's not a problem, the World's gone mad/PC/Woke etc"
The Exeter Chiefs name I can understand *but the Native American imagery and actions was bizarre when first thought up never mind now. If the Native American/Indigenous People/First Nations don't like it for whatever reason they have the right to say so and be listened to. We are adults but some people have very childish attitudes to this, like they take personal offence but then criticise those that have genuine reasons to be offended and no one can deny the suffering of the Native Americans /Indigenous People/First Nations throughout history. *Providing the First team called Chief thing is real, and to be honest I've seen no evidence presented other than heresay.
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1721 |
Posted: 29 Jan 2022 at 10:34 |
I'm afraid I have to disagree Richard which will come as no surprise in the light of some of my previous posts. The truth is we can all find something to offend us if we are that way inclined. Although not rugby-related the latest waste of time escapade is taking "Midget Gems" off the shelves for fear of causing offence to the dwarf community. Maybe the best solution is to take a whole host of words out of the English Language and let's all pretend they don't exist any more
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Richard Lowther
Coaching staff Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6528 |
Posted: 29 Jan 2022 at 11:18 |
You are proving my previous point that you are offended by these changes but those that are directly affected can't be. Doesn't it smack of double standards?
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Puli.
World Cup Winner Joined: 05 Jan 2010 Location: East Yorkshire. Status: Offline Points: 2700 |
Posted: 29 Jan 2022 at 11:56 |
I cannot see why teams need anything other than their name, why do we need Chiefs, Sharks, Falcons,, Tigers, Saints Warriors or any other additional word, I see it as purely a marketing ploy which makes no difference to many rugby followers, the teams will always just be Exeter, Sale, Newcastle, Leicester, Northampton and Worcester to me.
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If Rugby is the game they play in Heaven ..... Why does it hurt like Hell when you retire?
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Richard Lowther
Coaching staff Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6528 |
Posted: 29 Jan 2022 at 12:03 |
There is a difference between those that always had a suffix, mainly due to how they were founded, to those who adopted one post professionalism for marketing reasons. Leicester Tigers fit into the former, Exeter Chiefs the latter.
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HAVANT TONY
World Cup Winner Joined: 07 Oct 2018 Location: Havant Status: Offline Points: 540 |
Posted: 30 Jan 2022 at 19:29 |
I've never liked these stupid American football style names for rugby teams and was left scratching my head and laughing when Bristol became the Bears
I've got a mate who's from Bristol and he was gutted when they were the latest club to follow this trend and ripped up their famous coat of arms badge and replaced it with winnie the poohs angry uncle Having said that it's even more ridiculous what's gone on at Exeter being scared stiff of the woke pc snowflake brigade and changing their badge in case it offends someones shadow🤦♂️
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1721 |
Posted: 30 Jan 2022 at 21:58 |
Absolutely Havant Tony - I'm with you as you will see from my previous posts on this thread. Many disagree but I'm convinced that YES the World HAS gone mad
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islander
World Cup Winner Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7382 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 07:06 |
And while both of you may have read what JimboJetSet wrote previously, you don't see his argument as a legitimate one? As JJS concluded, what a bizarre choice of hill to die on...
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Richard Lowther
Coaching staff Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6528 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 07:29 |
A few questions for you. 1) Why does the proposed change OFFEND you so much? Are you a snowflake for being offended? 2) How you define Woke and Snowflake? 3) What does the" Indian" headdress/wigwam bar/Tomahawk chop have to do with Rugby? 4) Does changing the branding affect how Exeter play rugby? |
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French Connection
World Cup Winner Joined: 16 May 2017 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 653 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 10:49 |
Richard, I am with you 100% on this.
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Kimbo
World Cup Winner Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6207 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 11:11 |
I've yet to understand why certain people consider the term 'woke' to be an insult, which is how many seem to use it.
To be awake to the injustices and dangers of racism is a good thing in my book. Call me woke as much as you like.
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Thatbloke
World Cup Winner Joined: 02 Sep 2017 Location: Newport Status: Offline Points: 1721 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 11:45 |
OK let's take this to its logical conclusion
Wigan/Worcester "Warriors" - change the name offensive to pacifists Salford Red "Devils" - change the name offensive to the religious Just two off the top of my head, I'm sure there are many others. The whole issue goes far beyond rugby, and sport in general for that matter, and it is very much a political matter across a much wider spectrum but anyone venturing into that area gets a swift admonishment (from you Richard!) The whole thing has gone too far and it just gets more ridiculous as the days go by But at risk of said admonishment I'll tell you what offends me - people tearing down statues - the British legal system then saying that's OK if you don't agree with what they stand for (under review I accept) but probably grounds for tearing down every statue in the UK I suspect - positive discrimination - quotas to tick boxes on the grounds of diversity - constantly apologising for our history - pandering to minority groups - the end of freedom of speech - Midget Gems being taken off the shelves - And a question - If things were indeed so bad at Yorkshire cricket that it became unbearable why on earth would you go back for a second helping? I could go on.......... I was having a conversation with some fish last week who said they were offended that 3 fish appeared on our club logo. After a thorough investigation and analysis of the possible offence being caused we decided to replace the fish with feathers but now the bloody chickens are complaining!! Rant over - I await my admonishment
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Richard Lowther
Coaching staff Moderator Joined: 19 May 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 6528 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:13 |
And another example of double standards and you are failing to see it. You are entitled to your view and to complain ( but then you are in danger of being labelled a "snowflake") but you don't think that other people with an opposite view to yours have the same rights - they are being "woke" etc. If these things upset you and there was a way to do something so they no longer upset you, would you make the change and remove the thing that upset you? [For example would you feel better if statues were no longer being toppled?] This is the crux of the Exeter Chief argument. All the ridiculous branding/actions upsets a community who are on the end of racial intolerance - Native Americans being on the receiving end of people doing 'Tomahawk chops'/'Indian cries' etc in front of them because this is how films etc have portrayed 'Indians' as savages. It upsets them and in the year 2021 shouldn't be a thing. No one can surely defend such events. |
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WEvans
World Cup Winner Joined: 08 Dec 2016 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1380 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:26 |
But what about in the year 2022?
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Thames Estuary Man
British and Irish Lion Joined: 20 Feb 2017 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 205 |
Posted: 31 Jan 2022 at 12:27 |
I'll tell you what offends me - people tearing down statues - the British legal system then saying that's OK if you don't agree with what they stand for (under review I accept) but probably grounds for tearing down every statue in the UK I suspect - positive discrimination - quotas to tick boxes on the grounds of diversity - constantly apologising for our history - Midget Gems being taken off the shelves I’m with you on these Thatbloke In my eyes there is no justification for either negative or positive discrimination and the statue being thrown in the Bristol docks is pure vandalism which disgusts me. As for rugby clubs being given names like Bears, Chiefs, Saxons etc I’ve never felt the need to take the names very seriously. I still just refer to them as Bristol, Exeter, Southend. |
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