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GazJo12 
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 Topic: Leagues for 2022/23Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 10:37 |
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Sorry to bother everyone but I hope that someone might be able to help. Once the leagues for next season have been finalised would it be possible for someone to post them(say in Clubhouse Chat). so that everyone can follow exactly what has happened and where we stand for next season.
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Camquin
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 12:46 |
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Some things are being settled. Already promoted Midlands = Newport (Salop) and Sheffield Northern = Otley and Preston Grasshoppers South West = Exeter, Old Redcliffians, Hornets London = Sevenoaks. In contention Blackburn (3rd in North on 91) Dorking (2nd in London, 97) North Walsham (3rd in London, 94) Hertford (4th London, 91) It is looking like it will be Dorking and North Walsham - but the joy of sport is that upsets happen. So unofficially the "Northern" League looks like 1: Hull (unless promoted) 1: Rotherham (unless promoted) 2: Sedgley Park (unless promoted) 3: Fylde Rugby (unless promoted) 4: Hull Ionians 5: Tynedale 6: Sheffield Tigers 7: Wharfedale 8: Blaydon 9: Harrogate 10: Huddersfield 11: Otley 12: Preston Grasshoppers 13: Sheffield 14: Leeds or Chester If Leeds manages to stay up - either because they surge past Club, or because Ealing win their appeal, Chester could stay in the Northern league. Otherwise they will go to the South West. If Stourbridge or Blackburn were to be promoted, one of the Sheffield clubs would probably be moved into the South East. If Blackburn and Stourbridge are promoted, both Sheffield clubs could go to the South East. Edited by Camquin - 06 Apr 2022 at 12:47 |
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Pr10r
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 13:27 |
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I wonder if there is an option to promote just 1 team (Otley) from North Premier. This has nothing against Preston, but this does allow Chester to be placed back in the North as they should be?
Should the Ealing appeal be successful, Preston could be promoted?
.... Chester will probably have to fight against level transfer in the future anyway |
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 14:24 |
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Quick answer - NO there isn't an option. Published RFU criteria top 2 from each regional premier league plus however many are required to make up the numbers to 3 x 14. Also good luck explaining your proposal to Preston. Lots of clubs have "fought against level transfer" - to my knowledge absolutely NONE have succeeded! Nothing against Chester but they'll just have to take their medicine like all others who have "suffered" in the past
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 14:42 |
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That Bloke . Correct ! unless a club volunteers , you do as you are told, no matter what the consequences.
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Count Ford
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 15:01 |
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My own thoughts are that level transfers tend to be spread around the same few clubs closest to the division boundaries every few years. To make it slightly fairer (admittedly may increase mileage overall) I would introduce a rule that any team being level transferred should be protected for at least 5 years from doing it again (unless they choose to do so themselves)
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Thatbloke
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 15:04 |
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I think there is a rule already in place Count Ford, similar to what you suggest but not sure of the exact details
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 15:15 |
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There is such a rule. And it states any club that gets level transferred are protected from being forced to do so again for 2 years, unless they volunteer. Section 13.2.11.e.ii.f.
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Camquin
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 15:20 |
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It is no longer called level transfer. There are no "home" division, the RFU simply draws the boundaries afresh each season. Of
course, it amounts to exactly the same thing at level 4, as there is
only one way to fit three leagues in to minimize distance. At levels 5 and 6, I am expecting the leagues to change substantially each season.
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Count Ford
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 18:14 |
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Yes. My thoughts were extending it slightly to 5 years to stop the merry go round of the same clubs being up for level transfer every couple of years
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Count Ford
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Posted: 06 Apr 2022 at 18:43 |
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I believe Acklam sort of won. They actually won the right to appeal against their transfer to Yorkshire due to errors in the process and communication. During the second process of contacting potential transferees another club volunteered to transfer. So it is possible that had it been allowed to play out to the appeal they may have lost and had to transfer in the end anyway
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 20:54 |
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Just the one change this week Already promoted Midlands = Newport (Salop) and Sheffield Northern = Otley and Preston Grasshoppers South West = Exeter, Old Redcliffians, Hornets London = Sevenoaks Dorking In contention for the final place: North Walsham (3rd in London, 99) Blackburn (3rd in North on 96) Hertford (4th London, 96) North Walsham have more wins than Blackburn or Hertford, so two bonus points could do, unless Hertford take five points at Sevenoaks. But we need to wait until St George's day. |
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:15 |
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Not sure how you get a 3rd place team as being promoted - as I understand the final 2 (or possibly 3 ) promoted teams may possibly be on geographical conditions rather tha poinrpts accrued this season - or perhaps you have different information? |
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:39 |
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I was assuming that the two best placed third place teams would go up to fill the leagues and that as the RFU seem happy for Chester to go South, they will take whoever. Actually, it would suit the RFU for the two Southern teams to go up, as it balances the three leagues better. The last thing they want is Blackburn going up - and both Chester and a Sheffield side heading South.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:54 |
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Camquin, I totally agree with your assessment of the 2 best placed 3rd placed teams being promoted, however I recall reading somewhere in this four rum that the RFU have the final say on the final 2 promoted teams decided as they see fit. |
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 21:59 |
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If the RFU consume four rum each, it would justify the unusual thinking at HQ.
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The older I get, the more the RFU leave me confused.
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Posted: 09 Apr 2022 at 22:27 |
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North Walsham, in the North of Norfolk, lots of travel expenses? I can't see the RFU approving that!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 00:10 |
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There is a catch-all clause that lets them make any change if one team is being overly penalized. However,
the question is, is Chester's position so bad that it would be
sufficient reason not to promote Sheffield or Preston and instead
promote third place Syston - or a fourth place side. I
still am not quite sure who will be the South Western league. I
initially assumed Henley being an Oxfordshire side would go West, along
with probably Worthing. But it could be that two of the Leicestershire sides
are put in the 'South West' which would cut Chester's putative travel,
and let Henley and Worthing stay East, but one of the Leicestershire
sides would have to go East. |
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 08:22 |
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I wouldn't believe everything (anything?) you read on this forum if I were you! There is no way the RFU will use anything other than playing records to decide who gets promoted.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 12:47 |
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I will take your advice (with a large pinch of salt) 
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