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    Posted: 05 Jul 2022 at 12:00
Originally posted by PiffPaff PiffPaff wrote:

Sadly wb the dye is cast. I've had similar arguments about Prem Academies having Welsh, Irish and Scottish players on their books. Originally Academies were setup for the production of EQPs that seems to have lapsed and the Premier 15s will be no different. Look at the new Teams, full of non-English players
Exeter might as well call themselves Exeter North America Nippon Cymru Women.

Do not believe the figures that are being quoted about the expansion of the Women's game. Yes it has had some growth but scratch the surface and its hardly massive. Pumping money into a League that doesn't and will not ever pay for itself is madness.

Not saying you are wrong but do you include the Prem and Championship in that?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2022 at 13:45
No, I'm not against proportional funding of the women's game.

Proportional.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2022 at 12:43
Ealing Trailfinders / Mike Gooley has piled money / personel into a Womans team based at Brunel University. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote PiffPaff Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2022 at 12:09
Sadly wb the dye is cast. I've had similar arguments about Prem Academies having Welsh, Irish and Scottish players on their books. Originally Academies were setup for the production of EQPs that seems to have lapsed and the Premier 15s will be no different. Look at the new Teams, full of non-English players
Exeter might as well call themselves Exeter North America Nippon Cymru Women.

Do not believe the figures that are being quoted about the expansion of the Women's game. Yes it has had some growth but scratch the surface and its hardly massive. Pumping money into a League that doesn't and will not ever pay for itself is madness.
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I am not against funding the women's game but we must not make the same mistake as we have in the Men's game. This money must be to promote the English game not to enable clubs simply to buy in players from other countries. At present the Premier 15's does not have enough quality players for the number of teams it has now. Any funding must come with strict limits to overseas players otherwise we are simply funding other countries development.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote castleparknight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jul 2022 at 09:32
Just about the RFU ensuring that the closed shop remains a closed shop - and let the cartel get stronger. Likely that to gain promotion to the premiership you will also need to have a women's rugby team eligible for promotion to the premiership at the same time......just about to send an amazon sewing kit to RFU HQ to help them out with their stitching requirements.
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Harlequins didn’t have a team and bought out Aylesford women
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Ditto Lichfield who had around 6 or 7 internationals in their team before those players were forced to move on to maintain their status. Scandalous in my view but nothing surprises me any more with this ragbag governing body of ours 
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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

So the RFU have apparently found £222m to fund Premier 15s Rugby over 10 years
£20m a season
£2m a team

They seem hell bent on the Womens clubs being the same clubs as in the Pr3miership, if I get the right end of the stick.

 Looks like Championship is just an annoying thorn in the RFU sides. 🤬

Given they kicked out Richmond, the most historically successful women's club in England, in order to let Exeter in, it's pretty clear that's exactly what they want. (though I believe Wasps Ladies are affiliated to Wasps FC and not Coventry Wasps but minor technicalities). 




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Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

So the RFU have apparently found £222m to fund Premier 15s Rugby over 10 years
£20m a season
£2m a team

They seem hell bent on the Womens clubs being the same clubs as in the Pr3miership, if I get the right end of the stick.

 Looks like Championship is just an annoying thorn in the RFU sides. 🤬

Alternately the RFU is an annoying thorn in the side of the Championship.
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Originally posted by Halliford Halliford wrote:

Women’s rugby at every level is the “coming” thing. There is more attention on that, mainly because the numbers are growing while male participation shrinks.
I do think the Championship needs to get its act together, find a strong leader and start banging heads together to demonstrate the importance of Level 2. Its all too quiet!

Totally support the growth of Women's Rugby but it still has a long way to go when you consider that the Senior England Male team are responsible for 90% of the RFU's annual income.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2022 at 08:25
Originally posted by Kimbo Kimbo wrote:

I wonder why male participation is shrinking?
Hmmm.
Lots of research on that - growth of other sports, pandemic identified “better” things to do on a Saturday, preference for individual sports over team sports, etc.
Women’s rugby is going through the sort of growth spurt that men’s rugby had 50 years ago.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 23:23
I wonder why male participation is shrinking?
Hmmm.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Halliford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 23:04
Women’s rugby at every level is the “coming” thing. There is more attention on that, mainly because the numbers are growing while male participation shrinks.
I do think the Championship needs to get its act together, find a strong leader and start banging heads together to demonstrate the importance of Level 2. Its all too quiet!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 21:43
Originally posted by kempstonblue kempstonblue wrote:

So the RFU have apparently found £222m to fund Premier 15s Rugby over 10 years
£20m a season
£2m a team

They seem hell bent on the Womens clubs being the same clubs as in the Pr3miership, if I get the right end of the stick.

 Looks like Championship is just an annoying thorn in the RFU sides. 🤬
It's an utter nonsense. So, business as usual for the farts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kempstonblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2022 at 20:10
So the RFU have apparently found £222m to fund Premier 15s Rugby over 10 years
£20m a season
£2m a team

They seem hell bent on the Womens clubs being the same clubs as in the Pr3miership, if I get the right end of the stick.

 Looks like Championship is just an annoying thorn in the RFU sides. 🤬
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

My memory of it is that well prior to the Ealing/Doncaster application debacle 22/23 had been called frozen between the Championship and Premiership, in both directions. I do not remember that ,being changed when neither team was accepted..


You're right ON: there was no formal announcement of the 'freeze' being changed. But neither was there any announcement that it would remain in place while the Prem was 'stuck' at 13 teams.

Instead we have the rather frustrating middle ground where the parties involve express vague hopes [in contributions to articles like THIS ONE] that things might turn out differently at the end of next season, while at the same time giving themselves enough wriggle room that they might not. All rather predictably unsatisfactory... 
100% agree with this. Ensuring that 2022/23 had promotion/relegation should have been one of the conditions of Ealing dropping their appeal. However the more I have poked about, the .ore concerned I am that they got nothing but vague statements.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote islander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2022 at 16:59
Originally posted by OldNick OldNick wrote:

My memory of it is that well prior to the Ealing/Doncaster application debacle 22/23 had been called frozen between the Championship and Premiership, in both directions. I do not remember that ,being changed when neither team was accepted..


You're right ON: there was no formal announcement of the 'freeze' being changed. But neither was there any announcement that it would remain in place while the Prem was 'stuck' at 13 teams.

Instead we have the rather frustrating middle ground where the parties involve express vague hopes [in contributions to articles like THIS ONE] that things might turn out differently at the end of next season, while at the same time giving themselves enough wriggle room that they might not. All rather predictably unsatisfactory... 
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Originally posted by No 7 No 7 wrote:

I read  some where recently that the Premiership teams are having to readdress their player budgets and that accounts for the mass exodus of demanding players from one team to another and the that Premiership squads will be considerably smaller. 
  The article also stated  that younger ( cheaper, lower paid ) Academy players will have more opportunity for game time.
Which is as it should be. No doubt many of the older heads will be heading south and east in search of the Euro.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote No 7 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2022 at 12:53
I read  some where recently that the Premiership teams are having to readdress their player budgets and that accounts for the mass exodus of demanding players from one team to another and the that Premiership squads will be considerably smaller. 
  The article also stated  that younger ( cheaper, lower paid ) Academy players will have more opportunity for game time.
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